Do you ever get tired of living in secular society?
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I'm 34 years old and live near Washington D.C. It's becoming increasingly clear how deeply flawed our culture is.

There is great hostility against the Catholic Church. I used to post on college message boards and many people think that all Priests are pedophiles. They hate us. The last presidential election was a disgrace. Although, hopefully this President is better to Christianity.

We basically live in a pornographic and sexually crazed culture. Everything is permitted except for abstinence. That's what our society looks down on. If you're opposed to homosexual acts, you're a bigot. Many people in our country are on drugs. Many people are atheists. Many people hate everything good and holy. 

It's getting tiresome.

Can anyone else relate? How do you handle it?
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
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(04-12-2018, 04:25 PM)BrianW99 Wrote: I'm 34 years old and live near Washington D.C. It's becoming increasingly clear how deeply flawed our culture is.

There is great hostility against the Catholic Church. I used to post on college message boards and many people think that all Priests are pedophiles. They hate us. The last presidential election was a disgrace. Although, hopefully this President is better to Christianity.

We basically live in a pornographic and sexually crazed culture. Everything is permitted except for abstinence. That's what our society looks down on. If you're opposed to homosexual acts, you're a bigot. Many people in our country are on drugs. Many people are atheists. Many people hate everything good and holy. 

It's getting tiresome.

Can anyone else relate? How do you handle it?
Peace.....it is a reality and happening world-wide!  Best to go deeper into your faith and stay close to the Cross of Christ and Prayer.  The devil is on the loose but Jesus said, "the gates of hell will not prevail."  Stay with good holy reading, entertainment and friends.  I, and others I know did leave jobs to take on a more simple lifestyle meaning less money and material things.  There is a peace that comes with it though, because the fast-paced corrupt business world of greed and cheap conversation is not there!  We are not all in a position to do that, but pray for a time to come that will ease you up.
 God bless, angeltime :heart:
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(04-12-2018, 04:25 PM)BrianW99 Wrote: I'm 34 years old and live near Washington D.C. It's becoming increasingly clear how deeply flawed our culture is.

There is great hostility against the Catholic Church. I used to post on college message boards and many people think that all Priests are pedophiles. They hate us. The last presidential election was a disgrace. Although, hopefully this President is better to Christianity.

We basically live in a pornographic and sexually crazed culture. Everything is permitted except for abstinence. That's what our society looks down on. If you're opposed to homosexual acts, you're a bigot. Many people in our country are on drugs. Many people are atheists. Many people hate everything good and holy. 

It's getting tiresome.

Can anyone else relate? How do you handle it?

Yes, I feel sick of it almost constantly. 

Working hard at keeping custody of the eyes and senses and guarding my heart all are helpful. If I can find it, I will copy out a beautiful piece re: Guarding our hearts in Christ, from the book Imitation of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, when I can. 

Going to the holiest Masses possible, keeping company with holy people, if you can. "We become Saints by keeping company with Saints," (paraphrased, and I forget who said it, maybe Ven. Fulton Sheen?) 

Coming to this forum to express your feelings about it I think was also a very good idea.
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I think there is plenty to be sick of about living in *our* secular society, but I am very thankful that we live in a secular society.  Trads can be so keen on monarchy and theocracy, not bothering to think about how hard life would be for them if we lived in an anti-Catholic, perhaps even merely a non-Catholic, monarchy or theocracy.

Secular society protects freedom of thought and belief.  We are currently experiencing a social tyranny of one particular way of looking at the world.  This is not a fault of secular society itself, though.  In my opinion, Catholics could live a much easier life in a secular society if we were still taught how to respect others with whom we may disagree.  A republican form, where rights of the minority cannot be taken away by the will of the majority, would be ideal if that principle were strictly adhered to.  But in the West, particularly the US, we're seeing a tyranny of thought that is willing to sacrifice those minority rights which the current majority do not find favorable.  Secular society itself, in a libertarian republican democracy, is the ideal form of society.
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(04-12-2018, 06:13 PM)Melkite Wrote: I think there is plenty to be sick of about living in *our* secular society, but I am very thankful that we live in a secular society.  Trads can be so keen on monarchy and theocracy, not bothering to think about how hard life would be for them if we lived in an anti-Catholic, perhaps even merely a non-Catholic, monarchy or theocracy.

Secular society protects freedom of thought and belief.  We are currently experiencing a social tyranny of one particular way of looking at the world.  This is not a fault of secular society itself, though.  In my opinion, Catholics could live a much easier life in a secular society if we were still taught how to respect others with whom we may disagree.  A republican form, where rights of the minority cannot be taken away by the will of the majority, would be ideal if that principle were strictly adhered to.  But in the West, particularly the US, we're seeing a tyranny of thought that is willing to sacrifice those minority rights which the current majority do not find favorable.  Secular society itself, in a libertarian republican democracy, is the ideal form of society.
Peace.....I think from what we Catholics (especially Traditionals) are living today, there IS a growing sense of  our secular society becoming anti-Catholic/merely non-Catholic.

There IS a sense of an underlying current trying to silence or oppress Catholic faith/worship.

There IS a sense that Catholics are being oppressed and persecuted and not just lacking in how to respect and agree with others.

It might be that some Catholics have more of a vision of what is happening and where we are headed. (?)

God bless, angeltime :pray2: :incense:
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Yes.
I used to dream of having my own little piece of land, my own small house, my garden, my dog, maybe some kids and grandkids around.  Go to town for provisions and go back home.  Not enough money.  Very sad.
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I am pretty sure I am not called to the life of a Religious.
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We conservatives/traditionalists do have a tendency to romanticize the past.

I am very disillusioned by our present society-- not just here in the U.S., but the world --not just with its disregard for Christian devotion, but for its "modernity" as well. I don't like modern modes of transport (I drive a car only because I have to) and I have an abiding fear/hatred of computers (though I use this website, among a few others).

I am not even, anymore, such a big fan of democracy (thank God the Church is not one!).

To echo BrianW99's sentiments, just look at the awful choices we had in the last presidential election.

But . . . if we could go back in time and live in a more devout, Catholic society, I am not sure many of us here would really be any happier.

Those times were definitely more devout in some respects, more charitable towards the Faith, but there were also, in those times, tyrannical priests and bishops, even despotic Popes; there was a lot of temporal corruption in the Church, even if the Doctrine itself was more respected; we must not lose sight of these things when remembering the past.

So, what to do?

We must work toward a more Christian world here on Earth, while realizing that we will never achieve the ideal life in this existence; we must remember that Heaven is the goal, and that only there, basking in the presence of the Triune God, can we be truly, completely, happy.

In the meantime, when life here just seems to be unbearable, we must, as angeltime wrote, remember to seek refuge in Christ and the Cross.
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(04-13-2018, 04:46 AM)gospel654 Wrote: We conservatives/traditionalists do have a tendency to romanticize the past.

I am very disillusioned by our present society-- not just here in the U.S., but the world --not just with its disregard for Christian devotion, but for its "modernity" as well. I don't like modern modes of transport (I drive a car only because I have to) and I have an abiding fear/hatred of computers (though I use this website, among a few others).

I am not even, anymore, such a big fan of democracy (thank God the Church is not one!).

To echo BrianW99's sentiments, just look at the awful choices we had in the last presidential election.

But . . . if we could go back in time and live in a more devout, Catholic society, I am not sure many of us here would really be any happier.

Those times were definitely more devout in some respects, more charitable towards the Faith, but there were also, in those times, tyrannical priests and bishops, even despotic Popes; there was a lot of temporal corruption in the Church, even if the Doctrine itself was more respected; we must not lose sight of these things when remembering the past.

So, what to do?

We must work toward a more Christian world here on Earth, while realizing that we will never achieve the ideal life in this existence; we must remember that Heaven is the goal, and that only there, basking in the presence of the Triune God, can we be truly, completely, happy.

In the meantime, when life here just seems to be unbearable, we must, as angeltime wrote, remember to seek refuge in Christ and the Cross.
Peace.....I think too, that God put us here and He put us here in these times for a specific reason.  It would be the same as the Saints of long ago saying, "Oh, I dream of living in the future when the end times are so close and there is much more corruption and maybe I could become a Martyr!"  Here we are saying,  "we long to live in the days of long ago, when the faith was so alive, neighbors were charitable, everyone was at Mass striving to become Saints." haha!!  I personally dream about living in the days of horse and buggy.  But the reality is, that God put us here in the here and now and for His purpose.  This is our Cross and we must pick it up and continue on.  It seems to be a call to prayer really.  God bless angeltime :heart:
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