Delicate question about sexuality (warning: graphic language)
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(04-16-2018, 04:00 PM)austenbosten Wrote:
(04-16-2018, 03:22 PM)Ludovicus Wrote: The text that you quoted says that masturbation is a grave sin and I agree with that. A woman touching herself during a marital act is not masturbation, here is the point.

Thank you for the Labourdette quote, it is difficult to find texts in English search engines of French authors who are not someone famous like Rousseau or Dumas.

However, I do not see how to get around the writings of Persona Humana.  It plainly says that to say masturbation is wrong only in that it is separate of the marital act, is contrary to the Church.  Perhaps I am not reading it, but that is how I am reading it.  Not just the solo act, but any deliberate stimulation to climax.

The second paragraph that you quoted was not complete.
 
Quote:This opinion is contradictory to the teaching and pastoral practice of the Catholic Church. Whatever the force of certain arguments of a biological and philosophical nature, which have sometimes been used by theologians, in fact both the Magisterium of the Church - in the course of a constant tradition - and the moral sense of the faithful have declared without hesitation that masturbation is an intrinsically and seriously disordered act.[19] The main reason is that, whatever the motive for acting this way, the deliberate use of the sexual faculty outside normal conjugal relations essentially contradicts the finality of the faculty. For it lacks the sexual relationship called for by the moral order, namely the relationship which realizes "the full sense of mutual self-giving and human procreation in the context of true love."[20] All deliberate exercise of sexuality must be reserved to this regular relationship. Even if it cannot be proved that Scripture condemns this sin by name, the tradition of the Church has rightly understood it to be condemned in the New Testament when the latter speaks of "impurity," "unchasteness" and other vices contrary to chastity and continence.
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RE: Delicate question about sexuality (warning: graphic language) - by Ludovicus - 04-16-2018, 04:18 PM



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