Delicate question about sexuality (warning: graphic language)
(04-18-2018, 02:54 AM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: It's not "a-okay", but it is not inherently a mortal sin. (What Tamill keeps incorrectly asserting)

Every major moral theologian during the 20th century and before Vatican II accepted what Jone write. "Excluding the sodomitical intention it is neither sodomy nor a grave sin if intercourse is begun in a rector manner with the intention of consummating it naturally, or if some sodomitical action is positived without danger of pollution."

It is not a grave sin, if there is not the intention of completing the intercourse, or risk of completing it in an unnatural manner.

No one is saying this is a good thing, but every major moral theologian in the past century says it is not a grave sin.

So are you saying that sodomy is not sinful as long as he intends to complete in intercourse?

So you are saying a man could sodomize his wife to the point of completion and immediately finish in the natural manner and it would be fine?

(04-18-2018, 02:54 AM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(04-18-2018, 02:00 AM)austenbosten Wrote: However for the man, this act, no matter when it occurs, is gravely sinful.


The same holds here as with the woman, but yes, men and women are different. Complete pleasure for a man is naturally accompanied by ejaculation. This must happen within the body of the woman in the proper place, else there is a frustration of the primary end of marriage.

Thus his complete pleasure in any other manner is a grave sin against nature.

So you are saying a woman is free to enjoy masturbation, despite the Church condemning it, since it does not frustrate the primary end of marriage?

I'm sure what I said above is absurd, but do tell what constitutes as masturbation for the female, because you know well that there is only one definition of masturbation and it is open for all humans. What would constitute as masturbation for a woman?

P.S. I am curious as to what your thoughts on the quote from Persona Humanae is.

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RE: Delicate question about sexuality (warning: graphic language) - by austenbosten - 04-18-2018, 04:20 PM

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