Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
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(05-29-2018, 09:27 PM)pabbie Wrote: Can you provide any quotes from Catholic references that teach this? It makes no sense that the Church can infallibly canonize someone, yet the qualities that led the Church to reach that conclusion be at the same time erroneous. It makes no sense. Can you please post your source? Thanks


The only reference I have ever encountered is that it confirms the person is in heaven - I could look around if you want, but I can't right now.


But think about some things in the meantime:

Is there a source that says they are infallible in all instances? Is there an infallible source that says canonization is infallible in the first place?


Let me put it this way: The Church is infallible on faith and morals. 

The Church saying that someone is safe to imitate does not fall under these categories. The Church confirming a miracle does not fall under these categories. The Church's decision to say that a person has heroic virtue does not fall under these categories.

A pastoral and prudential judgement that person is safe for emulation is certainly not an infallible decree.


Otherwise, what is impossible for you and I to reconcile is how (for example) John Paul II accommodated pagans to worship their gods (which Scripture calls devils) on consecrated Church ground at Assisi - he accommodated breaking the first commandment and sacrilege. Public action, without public reparation and correction.



Did JPII repent of such an event? No.
Is it safe for emulation? No.
Does it show heroic virtue? No.


There's your quick answer. 

Otherwise, prove to me that Assisi is safe for emulation -an abominable event that has a Pope accommodate pagans in worshiping demons on sacred church ground.


If you say "well, obviously that's not safe for emulation, look at the other things he did instead!" Then my answer: what exactly is the point of canonization? We the lay people have to shift through piles of crap in order to find out what we should emulate? That's the whole point of the canonization process in the first place.

Since JPII did such actions (there is much more than Assisi) - actions against the faith, with no public correction - I am not going to sit here and assume it is all safe for emulation when it directly contradictions the very core of Christianity. Rather, I just say the canonization is a mistake and a canonization has limits on it's infallibility. Otherwise it is a horrid contradiction and wrecks Catholicism.
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:25 AM
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Vulgate - 05-29-2018, 09:50 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-29-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 01:11 AM
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