Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
#53
(05-30-2018, 01:23 AM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(05-30-2018, 01:13 AM)pabbie Wrote:
(05-29-2018, 10:33 PM)Vulgate Wrote: One more point, as noted by the Catholic encyclopedia.
 
The infallible formula for the canonization itself is to simply declare the person a “Saint.”
 
Consider: everyone in heaven is a Saint, but not everyone in heaven should be canonized because of what they did in their lives. That is the point. The canonization prayer only infallibly declares a person is a Saint – nothing beyond that.
 
So, taken at face value, that’s the only thing infallible in a canonization. My Grandma could certainly be a Saint in heaven, and she could potentially enact a miracle for me, but that doesn’t mean she practiced heroic virtue, that she is safe for emulation, and of course that she should be formally canonized.
 
The definition I just posted says otherwise.

Which is precisely why I think one could take either of the two possible opinions mentioned above. Either we save infallibility and reduce the object (discarding the value of canonization as historically practiced), or we discard infallibility and preserve the object (preserving the historical value of a canonization).

Neither is a very good choice.

Heck, we shouldn't have to choose, but we have been forced to do so. I don't fault anyone for taking either position.

I simply find the latter one (which preserves the historical value of canonization and its wider object) to be more satisfying a conclusion. This is helped by the massive changes and relaxations as regards the process along with a whole new concept of sanctity which thanks to Lumen Gentium and the Rahnerite theology of Vatican II would suggest "elements of sanctification" outside of the Catholic Church.

However, recognizing that this is a theological matter whether there is now wide berth to sail, I'm not going to say that those who disagree do not have merit, but I find the opposing position deeply unsatifying, cheapening what it means to be a Saint, and undermining the whole reason the Church canonizes people to begin with.
 
Looking back through Church teaching, I have never seen the Church permit challenging a canonization. All documentation I have found says canonizations are always infallible; so I don't see how there is any wiggle room to challenge them.

However there is plenty of Church teaching and past occurrences that show that a man acting as Pope may not actually be Pope due to invalid election or heresy, in which case he could not possibly promulgate or receive a canonization. So this would appear to be the only possibility.
Reply


Messages In This Thread
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:25 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:26 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-14-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-15-2018, 02:59 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-12-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-13-2018, 12:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-29-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 01:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:19 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 09:02 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by pabbie - 05-30-2018, 11:13 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-31-2018, 01:10 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-01-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-02-2018, 08:11 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-03-2018, 02:56 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 10:08 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 11:04 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 03:46 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 05:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:14 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:21 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:39 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:35 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:42 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 03:01 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 04:54 PM



Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)