Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
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(05-30-2018, 08:51 PM)pabbie Wrote:
(05-30-2018, 04:25 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(05-30-2018, 11:13 AM)pabbie Wrote: Looking back through Church teaching, I have never seen the Church permit challenging a canonization. All documentation I have found says canonizations are always infallible; so I don't see how there is any wiggle room to challenge them.

However there is plenty of Church teaching and past occurrences that show that a man acting as Pope may not actually be Pope due to invalid election or heresy, in which case he could not possibly promulgate or receive a canonization. So this would appear to be the only possibility.

Well in fact not only is the latter theory not up for debate on this forum, but it's as much speculation as either of the other positions.

Plenty of theologians have talked about its possibility. Few have agreed on precisely how that would work out, leaving at least a half-dozen opinions on the matter. But it's never happened before, so it's speculative theology.
 
I was wondering why this subject can't be discussed on here when there are quotes from past popes, Councils, Doctors of the Church, and other trusted references with imprimatur that discuss the subject? There are probably 20 different quotes on the subject and they are very clearly defined.

I am not the owner, so will let Vox speak for herself, but the presumption here is that the man who Catholics commonly accept as Pope is such.

The theoretical discussion of the matter isn't at issue. The problem is that we are not theologians, and the application of the principles is not ours to do, thus the discussion never ends up going particularly well, nor does it seem to add much to our better practice of the Faith, and thus tends to divide the traddie communion over something of which none of us can be certain anyways.

In short, practically it doesn't provide any appreciable benefit to argue whether the apparent Pope is the Pope or not. Either way we're still stuck in the same place and doing the same things. Speculate as we will, it does not move the ball forward, but just consists in useless lateral passing with lots of movement, but never any progress.
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:25 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:26 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-14-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-15-2018, 02:59 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-12-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-13-2018, 12:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-29-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 01:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:19 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 09:02 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by MagisterMusicae - 05-30-2018, 09:20 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-31-2018, 01:10 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-01-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-02-2018, 08:11 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-03-2018, 02:56 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 10:08 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 11:04 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 03:46 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 05:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:14 PM
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:42 PM
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