Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
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(05-30-2018, 10:35 PM)Vulgate Wrote: 1. We go by way of what is already defined. And the only thing solemnity defined in canonization is that a person is a saint - which doesn't actually follow that everything else confirmed in the canonization process is infallible.
 
2. Actual examples of problematic so-called saints that we can run our claims against. So in this situation, you must prove that JPII's actions are worthy of the title "Saint." So far, no explanation from you has come forth. If everything you claim is infallible, then we have a problem here and it's up to you to prove that being an accessory to breaking the first commandment and sacrilege  is a-ok for someone who we should emulate. 
 
For myself, I already found a plausible answer: certain affirmations in canonizations cannot be infallible. What is ridiculous is that you want to argue that emulation and heroic virtue are infallible when we have someone like JPII. MagisterMusicae’s position and my own at least get around the glaring contradiction and impossibly that someone can do these things and be considered a “saint.” What’s your explanation? 
 
I have already provided you with a trusted source with imprimatur that confirms that when someone is canonized, that infallible declaration is also a confirmation of heroic virtue. That's what the definition states and you simply tossed it aside and said it's "not infallible". You have no grounds for doing so.

I am with you 100% in that some of JP II's actions were clearly not that of a saint, and I have already provided my opinion on that based on what the Church has taught on the subject. The only logical answer is that had no authority due to invalid election or heresy. Nothing else makes sense. Saying that parts of the canonization process are not infallible is a complete novelty and not found in any Catholic book - this goes along the same lines as those in the SSPX who say Vatican II, a General Council, was not infallible (when General Councils always are infallible, no exceptions).
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
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