Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
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(06-01-2018, 09:34 PM)pabbie Wrote:
(06-01-2018, 02:45 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: Pabble, I have no idea what your qualifications are, but MM has studied theology and canon law at an advanced level. I think you're in way over your head.
 
What can I say, Canon Law and all other Catholic references I have ever found in my lifetime say that Ecumenical Councils and canonizations are always infallible, no exceptions. It doesn't matter how long someone has studied theology and canon law - we can't just disregard the traditional teaching of the Church.

How do you know the "traditional teaching of the Church"?

I would submit that you have read some things to learn what some people say, but then are over-extending what the teaching is.

As mentioned in the other thread, this is a matter of imprecision and ambiguity. When discussing such things you need to be precise.

Using terms like "General Council" when meaning the more precise (both theologically and canonically) "Eccumenical Council", and then saying there are "always infallible" (when you later admit that this is far more restricted to "faith and morals"), is precisely the problem.

If you take a true principle, and over-extend it you do the same as Vatican II did with "religious liberty" : they took the Catholic notion of tolerance  (the state has the right to tolerate those who spread error if a greater good is acheived) and over-extended it to suggest that the person who is spreading error has the right to be tolerated. The latter one is false, but it is the same over-extension you seem to be doing.
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
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