Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
(06-12-2018, 03:54 PM)Paul Wrote:
(06-12-2018, 03:44 PM)Dominicus Wrote:
(06-12-2018, 02:39 PM)Vulgate Wrote:
Quote:Gadium et Spes 24:

“For this reason, love for God and neighbor is the first and greatest commandment.”

This is an error, straight from Vatican II.

Unless by "error" you really mean "heresy," which is different form general “error.”

That's not an error, its straight out of the mouth of Jesus. 

“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

What Jesus said is not what Gaudium et Spes says. It turns the two into one commandment, equating love of neighbour with love of God. That's not necessarily heretical, since the two cannot be separated, but it's possible to interpret "love of neighbour" to include affirming them in their sin (since doing otherwise wouldn't be 'nice'), and risks turning the Church into merely being another organisation concerned only for the material needs of the poor and not about spiritual matters.

But it's not heresy.

And, in fact, the most frequent problems with Vatican II (aside from the big three), are precisely such things, craftily manipulating the text so it does not say precisely the truth, but also is not offensive to pious ears. It's almost diabolical in its craftiness, really.

The same happens with the ends of marriage and with the duties of the priest. The ends and duties are inverted. They still exist, so it's impossible to say that Vatican II teaches something contrary to the Faith on those points, but it is clear it was so written to change the teaching by afterward emphasizing the now first end.

On marriage Gaudium et Spes speaks of "communion of life" which leads the spouses to "experience the meaning of their oneness and attain to it with growing perfection day by day. As a mutual gift of two persons, this intimate union as well as the good of the children imposes total fidelity on the spouses and argues for an unbreakable oneness between them." (§48 and §50).

Rather, it's the other way around. Their union is firstly for children, and secondarily to attain their perfection and oneness. With this slight change, however, now the children take a back seat, and the "oneness of the spouses" is of prime importance. Thus one can easily say, "it can no longer simply be said that all those in any 'irregular' situation are living in a state of mortal sin and are deprived of sanctifying grace." (AL, 301) since they are growing in perfection and oneness.

Same with a priest whose first duty is traditionally, to offer Sacrifice, then to preach, teach and govern. Vatican II speaks of his first duty as preaching, and lastly of intercession and celebrating Mass.

It's error by manipulating how something is said, not what is said.

Still, whatever the intention, what constitutes the matter of heresy is not an intention.
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
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