Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
(06-15-2018, 08:42 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(06-15-2018, 01:33 PM)pabbie Wrote:
(06-15-2018, 12:16 PM)Paul Wrote:
(06-15-2018, 12:08 PM)pabbie Wrote: There is no such thing as "nonbinding documents" of an ecumenical Council. 

So why is Nicaea's prohibition on kneeling at Mass not binding today?

Every prior council actually defined things. Vatican II didn't. There's no 'let him be anathema' anywhere in the documents.

And you still haven't told us how we get a Pope again.

Kneeling at Mass is a rubric! It does not pertain to faith and morals.

Vatican II created the decrees on ecumenism and religious freedom, both of which pertain to faith and morals, so that is binding on Catholics. In fact Paul VI pronounced at the end of the Council that all the faithful were to comply and that the decrees  were promulgated by the ordinary magisterium. So if you believe Vatican II is a true Council, you are bound by its decrees.

Only God knows how we will get a pope again. But that is irrelevant to what we are speaking about here.

You said, and I quote, 'There is no such thing as "nonbinding documents" of an ecumenical Council.' Then, you dismiss the Solemn Decree of an undoubted Oecumenical Council as a rubric? Do you know what a rubric is? It is a direction in a liturgical book, usually printed in red, hence 'rubric' from latin 'rubeus'='red'.

The Holy and Oecumenical Council of Nicaea issued no books of liturgy containing runrics. It issued decrees which you claim are always binding, and then dismiss one of them as a rubric. Interesting logic! :LOL:
 
You misunderstand. Scripture is considered Divine Law, which cannot be changed. Then the Church also creates ecclesiastical laws on top of the Divine Law. The Church can change these ecclesiastical laws anytime it wishes. Looking at the statement from the Council of Nicaea it says:

"Since there are some who kneel on Sunday and during the season of Pentecost, this holy synod decrees that, so that the same observances may be maintained in every diocese, one should offer one's prayers to the Lord standing"

This is not Divine Law (from Scripture), but ecclesiastical law, which the Church can modify at any time.
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:25 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:26 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-14-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-15-2018, 02:59 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-12-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-13-2018, 12:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-29-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 01:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:19 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 09:02 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-31-2018, 01:10 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-01-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-02-2018, 08:11 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-03-2018, 02:56 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 10:08 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 11:04 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by pabbie - 06-16-2018, 10:55 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 03:46 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 05:25 PM
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