Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes
(06-18-2018, 05:25 PM)Paul Wrote:
(06-18-2018, 04:41 PM)Dominicus Wrote: Nor to wholly disagree but Plus IX in the Syllabus of errors stated that it was an error to say
"In the present day it is no longer expedient that the Catholic religion should be held as the only religion of the State, to the exclusion of all other forms of worship."

That sounds disciplinary to me. Ideally, yes, all states should profess the Catholic religion, but is that really practical, especially after the 20th century? It's one thing to have a Catholic king keeping the state Catholic, it's another to have a secular republic do so after it's just overthrown that king. What's the Church going to do, declare war to force the state to remain Catholic? And what about places like Saudi Arabia and other Muslim states, which were around during the time of Pius IX? He couldn't have meant that they should be forced to be Catholic.

Seems to me like the statement is aimed at states which are already Catholic, and the modernists are seeking to repeal that and allow Protestant or other worship. By the time of Vatican II, there weren't many such states left, and even within them, the Church didn't force heretics to convert. It may be wrong to say Catholicism as the state religion should be abolished, but that's not the same thing as saying states which now have separation of church and state must be forced to establish Catholicism as the state religion.

The Vatican II statements on religious liberty are confusing, and they're meant to be. But even Archbishop Lefebvre signed Dignitatis humanæ, even though he voted against it. But there are only three possibilities: either it's ultimately orthodox, even if confusing and prone to (intentional) misinterpretation; it isn't infallible and therefore wrong; or the sedevacantists are right and Vatican II wasn't a valid Council. We can't just blindly accept what's being said now, ignoring everything the Church has taught for 2000 years, but it's also not our place to judge the validity of an Ecumenical Council.
 
Christ founded a Church that all must belong to if they are to be saved. Unfortunately it's human nature for there to be false religions out there, so the Church has no choice but to tolerate them. The Church may tolerate them, but she still says they are erroneous and not means of salvation.

We can clearly see what was intended by the decrees on ecumenism and religious liberty by just looking at what's taking place in the local dioceses over the last 60 years. If people simply misinterpreted the decrees and started going down the wrong path, a true Pope would be guaranteed to step forward and make a clarification as to the true meaning people should be following. Not only have none of the Popes since Vatican II done so, but they are taking part in the errors themselves. True Popes cannot possibly lead the faithful into error like this.

What ultimately would invalidate an ecumenical Council is not having the stamp of approval from a true pope. All the illegitimate Councils in history were created this way.
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RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-10-2018, 06:18 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:25 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-11-2018, 01:26 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-14-2018, 05:07 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-15-2018, 02:59 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-12-2018, 08:42 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-13-2018, 12:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-29-2018, 10:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 01:11 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:19 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 09:02 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-30-2018, 02:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 05-31-2018, 01:10 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-01-2018, 09:52 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-02-2018, 08:11 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-03-2018, 02:56 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 03:54 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-12-2018, 05:17 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 10:08 AM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:14 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 11:04 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 03:46 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-18-2018, 05:25 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by pabbie - 06-18-2018, 09:17 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-15-2018, 12:14 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:21 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:39 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:35 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 02:42 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 03:01 PM
RE: Vatican canonizes un-Catholic popes - by Paul - 06-14-2018, 04:54 PM



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