The Coyote Saint
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A great many illegal immigrants participate in identity theft, others are paid cash and then simply do not pay income tax. When American citizens get paid in cash for jobs, it's frequently called "Getting paid under the table" and "Cheating the taxman". When illegals do it, Bishops and priests won't even talk about it.
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(07-16-2018, 11:58 AM)Eric F Wrote: A great many illegal immigrants participate in identity theft, others are paid cash and then simply do not pay income tax. When American citizens get paid in cash for jobs, it's frequently called "Getting paid under the table" and "Cheating the taxman". When illegals do it, Bishops and priests won't even talk about it.

If there was a vehicle for regularization there would not be a need for identity theft.  As for the people who are paid in cash every time they buy something at the store they pay tax. Also when they pay rent the property tax is included in the rent.
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(07-16-2018, 12:23 PM)Poche Wrote: If there was a vehicle for regularization there would not be a need for identity theft.

If people did things by the book, they wouldn't feel the need to resort to identity theft.

Quote:As for the people who are paid in cash every time they buy something at the store they pay tax. Also when they pay rent the property tax is included in the rent.

You just made his point about evading taxes. Anyone who gets a salary get that taxed, then is taxed at the store, then pays tax when they rent. Why should someone be excluded from paying taxes in 1 of the 3 examples you listed? How is that just?
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(07-16-2018, 12:23 PM)Poche Wrote: If there was a vehicle for regularization there would not be a need for identity theft.  As for the people who are paid in cash every time they buy something at the store they pay tax. Also when they pay rent the property tax is included in the rent.

There is a vehicle for regularisation. It involves going back home, applying to immigrate legally, and waiting for a visa.
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(07-16-2018, 12:23 PM)Poche Wrote:
(07-16-2018, 11:58 AM)Eric F Wrote: A great many illegal immigrants participate in identity theft, others are paid cash and then simply do not pay income tax. When American citizens get paid in cash for jobs, it's frequently called "Getting paid under the table" and "Cheating the taxman". When illegals do it, Bishops and priests won't even talk about it.

If there was a vehicle for regularization there would not be a need for identity theft.  As for the people who are paid in cash every time they buy something at the store they pay tax. Also when they pay rent the property tax is included in the rent.

This is outrageous!  What in the world are you thinking!?

There is never a NEED for identity theft.  Identity theft is lying about who you are.  All lies are intrinsically evil.  These specific lies are told for the benefit of staying hidden and a paycheck.  That, in my mind, would seem to make it worse.

There is never a need to commit an intrinsic evil.  I feel like I'm Gordon Ramsay right now...  What are you thinking?
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According to legend, it was in the late 1970s that migrants began telling stories about St. Toribio's coming to their rescue.
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One such tale, from the 1990s, is about a man named Jesús Buendía Gaytán. He reported that he'd been walking several days in the desert, barely alive, when he saw a thin young man with white skin and piercing blue eyes. The man offered him food and water, spoke to him in Spanish, and even gave him a few dollars.
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The young man had one request: "When you finally get a job and money, look for me in Santa Ana de Guadalupe, Jalisco. Ask for Toribio Romo."
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Years later, the story goes, Señor Gaytán visited Santa Ana de Guadalupe, in search of his Good Samaritan. He was said to be dumbfounded, on seeing a photo of St. Toribio, to recognize the face of his coyote.
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http://www.banderasnews.com/0607/nr-migrantssaint.htm
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The Catholic Church does not officially confirm such miracles by the saint along the border. Nonetheless, said Father González, some dioceses in Mexico and the U.S. are lobbying to have Toribio declared the official patron saint of migrants.
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Among the visitors to Santa Ana de Guadalupe on a recent Saturday was Alberto González, 23. He had returned to Mexico from North Texas, where he'd worked for three years in construction.
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Outside the chapel, the family munched on corn on the cob and listened as a local band jammed.
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Mr. González said his thoughts were already on his next journey northward. He plans a return to the Dallas area later this year.
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"For sure, it'll be the most difficult crossing," he said. "That's why I'm here – asking Father Toribio to guide me across, to perform another miracle."



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#18
No one knows how Toribio Romo became the de facto patron saint of border crossers or those undertaking perilous journeys.  While the Catholic Church recognizes him as a saint, they do not recognize him as the patron saint of migrants, a role he has assumed seemingly spontaneously.  The Vatican’s official saint for migrants, ironically, is the first American citizen to become a saint, Mother Frances Cabrini, an Italian nun who helped Italian immigrants in the US in the late 19th Century.  As Mexicans have a hard time identifying with Mother Cabrini, Santo Toribio has filled the void and has been growing in popularity as the patron saint of Mexican migrants ever since his canonization.


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(07-20-2018, 12:14 AM)Poche Wrote: As Mexicans have a hard time identifying with Mother Cabrini

Maybe because Mother Cabrini followed the law and immigrated legally?
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(07-20-2018, 12:14 AM)Poche Wrote: As Mexicans have a hard time identifying with Mother Cabrini, Santo Toribio has filled the void and has been growing in popularity as the patron saint of Mexican migrants ever since his canonization.

Yet the irony is that he was against Mexicans moving north to the U.S., saying they would lose their faith and culture.
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God's love is manifest in the landscape as in a face.  - John Muir

I want creation to penetrate you with so much admiration that wherever you go, the least plant may bring you clear remembrance of the Creator.  A single plant, a blade of grass, or one speck of dust is sufficient to occupy all your intelligence in beholding the art with which it has been made  - Saint Basil

Heaven is under our feet, as well as over our heads. - Thoreau, Walden
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