Which Church?
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(07-19-2018, 06:29 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(07-19-2018, 05:47 PM)pabbie Wrote: So your first goal as a Catholic today is to determine which position is the correct one.

No.

Your first duty as a Catholic is to sanctify your soul, practice virtue, pray and try to keep yourself in the State of Grace, or get there if you've lost it.

Eventually, yes, we will be confronted with dealing with the practical realities of the Crisis in the Church. There will be differing replies and responses to it. We may disagree which is correct, and that is fine. The very fact that there is a Crisis, means that there is confusion and ambiguity, and we do not have the leaders and resources we normally would to help us know the Truth.

When that time comes, and not before, we should study the matter, take advice, try to understand the different issue, and then act on whatever, after prayerful reflection and study, seems the best way to save our soul. Whatever position we do take up, we should be ready to continually consider. To find someone who is an intransigent FSSP person unwilling to consider his position is as bad as a Sedevecantist who refuses to consider and defend his position.

In the end, however, we will not be asked to take up the correct "position" but if we corresponded with the grace God gave us, and thus kept ourselves in the State of Grace and grew in Virtue.

You acknowledge there are different positions that can be held on the current crisis in the Church. Only one of those positions can be true..... We obviously can't believe that the Pope is both a true Vicar of Christ and an imposter at the same time. Saying both views are okay is absurd.

You say we don't have the leaders and resources to help us know the truth, but that is absolutely false. We have 2000 years of Church teaching to tell us what to do in the crisis we are witnessing right now. Looking at the posts in these forums, people are obviously seeing heresies throughout the church on a global scale. The Church has defined heresy for us already (the doubt or denial of a Catholic doctrine), and the Church has already given the faithful specific instructions on what to do when they see heresy, and that is to completely avoid the source:
  • "A man that is a heretic, after the first and second admonition, avoid: Knowing that he, that is such an one, is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned by his own judgment." Titus 3:10-11
  • "If any man come to you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into the house nor say to him, God speed you. For he that saith unto him, God speed you, communicateth with his wicked works." 2 John 1:9-11
  • “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach a gospel to you besides that which we have preached to you, let him be anathema.” Galatians 1:8
We don't need to wait around for more leaders or more instruction from the Church on what we are seeing, and to say so is a complete copout. We've already been given instructions at the very start of the Church. Any Catholic that says they don't know what to do, doesn't have a leg to stand on.
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Which Church? - by francisco - 07-19-2018, 12:01 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Melkite - 07-19-2018, 12:06 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Some Guy - 07-19-2018, 12:16 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Melkite - 07-19-2018, 02:18 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Some Guy - 07-19-2018, 02:33 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Melkite - 07-19-2018, 03:18 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Some Guy - 07-19-2018, 03:48 PM
RE: Which Church? - by pabbie - 07-19-2018, 05:47 PM
RE: Which Church? - by MagisterMusicae - 07-19-2018, 06:29 PM
RE: Which Church? - by jovan66102 - 07-19-2018, 07:05 PM
RE: Which Church? - by aquinas138 - 07-19-2018, 11:59 PM
RE: Which Church? - by pabbie - 07-20-2018, 01:55 AM
RE: Which Church? - by jovan66102 - 07-20-2018, 03:13 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Dominicus - 07-20-2018, 12:11 AM
RE: Which Church? - by jovan66102 - 07-20-2018, 03:01 PM
RE: Which Church? - by pabbie - 07-20-2018, 01:38 AM
RE: Which Church? - by Markie Boy - 07-20-2018, 06:22 AM
RE: Which Church? - by Jeeter - 07-20-2018, 06:41 AM
RE: Which Church? - by pabbie - 07-20-2018, 01:11 PM
RE: Which Church? - by ServusDei - 07-20-2018, 06:27 AM
RE: Which Church? - by Markie Boy - 07-20-2018, 08:24 AM
RE: Which Church? - by Sacred Heart lover - 07-20-2018, 09:10 AM
RE: Which Church? - by pabbie - 07-20-2018, 12:50 PM
RE: Which Church? - by Markie Boy - 07-20-2018, 01:51 PM
RE: Which Church? - by pabbie - 07-20-2018, 05:59 PM



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