I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution
(06-04-2019, 04:51 PM)Tolkien RRJ Wrote: Not true at all.  uniformitarianism is the unbiblical belief that todays processes have always happened at the same rate.   

Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation. But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. 
2 Peter 3 

Uniformity of nature is that all things behave the same way in the same circumstances. Besides, those assumptions used by the uniformtanist, not only is based on faith, but can by observation, be shown false.

The second letter of Peter has never been interpreted that way by the the Fathers, or the Magisterium. See here.

To suggest this passage condemns is to condemn St Augustine's interpretation of it which supports uniformitarianism. The relevant passage from that article :

Quote:Firstly, the Magisterium does not cite the passage in any major source of Catholic teaching. The Enchiridion Symbolorum, for instance, never references it. A survey of a dozen major Catholic Dogmatic Theology manuals from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries also proved fruitless. Thus, we have apparently no teaching of the Magisterium or Theologians regarding this verse which demand we accept one or the other reading.

Given the lack of Magisterial statements and theological guidance for interpreting the verse, we turn to the Fathers. Here, we do have some data, but a very small quantity. The Enchridion Patristicum shows no references to this passage in relation to doctrine, and other Patristic indices show only three Fathers addressing the passage at all. None assert that it condemns uniformitarianism, or the principles behind it.

The first, St Jerome, uses an accommodated sense to call Jovinanius one of the “scoffers,” but does not interpret the phrase in an applicable way. In his commentary he says nothing relating to a uniformitarianism.

Next, St Augustine cites the passage in his City of God. There he discusses the end of the world and the extent of its destruction in comparison with the Flood. He does not spend any words rejecting uniformitarianism (a notion with which he would have surely been familiar as it was taught by the Greek philosophers who asserted an eternal universe). Augustine states that the present world stands in the place of the antediluvian world, and the post-Apocalyptic world will be similar. He then asserts that, just as the nature of this world was not changed by the Flood, man’s “nature, however, shall notwithstanding continue, though in eternal punishments” after the Judgement.

The clear meaning is that as Noah had his own scoffers saying that there was no sign of a Flood coming, which destroyed all men, so it will be at the end that scoffers will find no sign of a Judgement coming, yet it will also destroy all men and the whole universe. He does not assert the rejection of uniformitarianism and instead speaks of nature not changing.

Next, Pope St Clement I in his Epistle to the Corinthians seems to paraphrase St Peter calling those men “foolish” who would not concern themselves with the coming judgement because “these things we have heard even in the times of our fathers; but, behold, we have grown old, and none of them has happened unto us.” At the end of the same chapter, he speaks of the quickness with which the Lord will come.

St Augustine also takes this same idea in his other reference to 2 Pt 3:4 in his commentary on Psalm 44 writing: “Call to mind the generations before you; you will find that the making of Adam is but a thing of yesterday. So do we read that all things have gone on from the very beginning: they were therefore done quickly.” Thus, St Augustine affirms a uniformitarian reading of this passage. He accepts that things have gone on in the same way from the beginning. He then warns, “The day of Judgment also will be here quickly. Do thou anticipate its quick coming. It is to come quickly; do thou become converted yet more quickly.”

Further, as the article notes, the great scripture commentator, Cornelius a Lapide, in fact uses this passage to show that the stability of nature is actually an argument for God, and the "scoffer" is in fact blinded to this because he uses what should prove the order of the universe, and therefore God, to deny God.

It is only Protestants who needed to support their false "Flood Geology" who have re-interpreted this passage to condemn uniformatarianism. No Catholic author has ever done this, nor any Father, nor the Magisterium.
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