I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution
(06-06-2019, 03:20 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(06-06-2019, 02:03 PM)cassini Wrote: In other words, according to you, in plain English, the Church defected in or around 1835 when She began to teach heresy.

Are you  guys denying HISTORY?

In 1616 an irreformable decree defined heliocentrism was formal heresy--FACT OF HISTORY.
In 1633 Galileo, after lying to the Holy Office, was found guilty of suspicion of THE HERESY decreed in 1616

In 1820 a Fr Olivieri, a Holy Office chief, who believed that heliocentrism was proven, was asked to write a reason why the Pope should allow the publication of a heliocentric book. A Fr Anfossi had forbidden this. With the 1616 Vatican documents in Napoleon's  France, Olivieri hatched up a SCAM that could let the Catholic Church have its infallible decree and an acceptance of 'proven' heliocentrism. He agreed with Fr Anfossi that the 1616 decree was a papal irreversible decree. BUT he said, the 1616 decree was against a violent orbiting Earth, whereas in 1820 heliocentrism did not have a violent earth ACCORDING TO MODERN ASTRONOMERS. He convinced Pius VII of this and in 1835 Pope Pius VII issued this decree:

‘The most excellent [Holy Office] have decreed that there must be no denial, by the present or by future Masters of the Sacred Apostolic Palace, of permission to print and to publish works which treat of the mobility of the Earth and of the immobility of the sun, according to the common opinion of modern astronomers, as long as there are no other contrary indications, on the basis of the decrees of the Sacred Congregation of the Index of 1757 and of this Supreme [Holy Office] of 1820; and that those who would show themselves to be reluctant or would disobey, should be forced under punishments at the choice of [this] Sacred Congregation, with derogation of [their] claimed privileges, where necessary.’[1]

[1] Cited by A. Fantoli: Galileo; For Copernicanism and for the Church, p.475.

Note Fr Olivieri's conditions marked in RED for a non-hertetical heliocentrism appears in this decree.
But here is the 1616 heliocentrism that was found heretical:
(1) “That the sun is in the centre of the world and altogether immovable by local movement,” was unanimously declared to be “foolish, philosophically absurd, and formally heretical [denial of a revelation by God] inasmuch as it expressly contradicts the declarations of Holy Scripture in many passages, according to the proper meaning of the language used, and the sense in which they have been expounded and understood by [all] the Fathers and theologians.”

Where does it say anything about a violent movement of the Earth? Papal definitions must be clear. It was to say the sun does not orbit the Earth that was the formal heresy. And in the heliocentrism inventerd by Fr Olivieri, the one Pope Pius VII allowed, IT STILL INCLUDES THE FIXED-SUN HERESY. 

Believing heliocentrism had been proven, the Catholic Church was PLUNGED into material HERESY from 1835. This was the beginnimng of the end of Traditional Catholiocism on Earth. Freemasonry was behind the illusion that heliocentrism was proven AND THAT THE DOCTRINE OF GEOCENTRISM held by the Catholic Church until then was FALSIFIED. Freemasonry had begun its task with an agenda to REPLACE THE SUPERNATURAL RELIGION OF THE CRUCIFIED AND RESURRECTED JESUS CHRIST WITH THE NATURAL RELIGION OF HUMANISM AND GLOBALISM. 
Heliocentrism was the first heresy of Naturalism, "manipulating nature to produce somerthing above nature - just as Satan attempted to transcend his nature in order to be God."
Once accepted there could be no opposition to the Nebular theory, how that heliocentrism now accepted within Catholicism evolved. With the capitulation to false human reason, Genesis came under attack from the mid-19th centurty with modernism taking over from tradition.

Today, Catholicism is a mere shell of its past. Pope after pope failed to correct the Galilean Reformation, until they became active again under Pope Pius XII's Humani Generis. By Vatican II the majority of the hierarchy were Big Bang modernists. Global warming is now the only sin the Catholioc Pope finds worth talking about.

So Jovan,Magister, and all you blind so-called Catholiocs, I have told you the truth and you prefer to believe lying. Oh yes you wrap it up as a defence of the Catholic Church and accuse a historian of blasphemy and heresy, just like the Jews accused Christ of blasphemy. I always recall the Scriptures telling us not to cast pearls to swine, for they will not believe you. So, I am off now for a while. I will leave you with St Paul's warning, a warning that He will send error for those who will not believe. Indeed this very warning of St Paul is currently being denied by a Pope Francis in Rome who wants to change the meaning of the Our Father.

And in all seduction of iniquity to them that perish; because they receive not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity.” --- (2 Thes 2)

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RE: I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution - by cassini - 06-07-2019, 01:20 PM

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