I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution
(06-11-2019, 05:25 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(06-11-2019, 03:34 PM)cassini Wrote: Now let me demonstrate how the mind can be bent. You say 'what we are able to see with our own eyes.'
Now what do we see with our own eyes? We see the Sun, moon and stars circle the Earth every day. Yes, the eyes see a geocentric motion of the universe. But the MIND won't let you see what you actually see as you have demonstrated. Your mind twists what you can see into believing it shows a spinning Earth. Telescopes have nothing to add except showing stars we cannot see with the eyes also circling the Earth every 24 hours.

As for  'overwhelming astronomical and meteorological evidence to the contrary' who told you that. Why do you think a man called Albert Einstein was made the greatest brain ever in a man? Ever hear of the 1887 M&M experiment that provided evidence the Earth does not orbit the sun? It was to save heliocentrism that they allowed Einstein to propose his Special Theory of relativity. This theory stated you cannot prove or falsify either geocentrism or heliocentrism. And that theory itself has been falsified so many times it has become a joke. But they hang on to it as it gives heliocentrism a possibility. Recently Sungenis has recently shown the discoveries that provide evidence ther Earth is at the centre of the universe. Nobody can prove this science wrong.

I've heard that about Einstein and the non-disprovability of either geo- or heliocentrism.  That's an interesting idea, but even in the modified geocentric model (which you'd have to accept if you trust what we can observe of the motion of the planets now), all the other planets, at best, rotate around both the Sun and the earth, with the Sun as the center around which they ultimately orbit.  Further, we can observe, if not planets, some kind of objects orbiting around other stars in the galaxy.  We can also observe galaxies which, at least appear, that the outward material orbits around the center of the galaxy.  All of these things are orbiting around something other than the earth.  It defies logic to believe that everything is orbiting the earth.

It's very easy to imitate with smaller objects how the sun can appear to revolve around the earth without actually doing so.

Meteorologically, the winds blow as they do because the earth is rotating.  If the earth were still, the winds should rush directly from high pressure areas into low pressure areas.  But they don't.  They initially do that, but then they essentially get trapped in areas of equivalent pressure between the high and low, and rush faster or slower between them depending on how much distance there is between the high and the low.  They essentially orbit the high.  The only way we know of to explain this is the earth rotating on its axis.  If the earth were motionless, this phenomena would be unexplainable.

Here above Melkite you bring it all down to a human level. St Thomas Aquinas however, the greatest of all geocentrists, saw the universe as God's creation. Pope Urban VIII told Galileo not to limit God to human reason, God is omnipotent. Aquinas even said that God put an angel in charge of every cosmic body to keep the universe in order.

Shalt thou be able to join together the shining stars of the Pleiades, or canst thou stop the turning about of Arcturus? Canst thou bring forth the day star in its time, and make the evening star to rise upon the children of the Earth? Dost thou know the order of heaven, and canst thou set down the reason thereof on the Earth?’
In this passage from the Book of Job (38:31-33) we find the Lord querying Job about the order and mechanisms of the cosmos He created. These questions, as understood by the Fathers, are intended to show that mankind knows little and can do nothing compared to the omnipotence of God. It is a lesson in humility for mankind. The same question of course infers that He, unlike man, knows the exact movements of the individual cosmic bodies and by what means they are caused to go about their business. Now let us try to explain Job’s 38:31-33 heliocentrically, as many churchmen since 1741 have Catholics thinking they can. According to Galileo and all who follow him, this passage could be said to have God asking Job ‘trick’ questions. Had Job been a cardinal at the Second Vatican Council or a member of the 1981-1992 Papal Commission on Galileo, he probably would have answered something like this; ‘Ah now Lord, we have long discovered that the brightest star Arcturus is but a sun like ours probably with another planet like Earth containing intelligent life orbiting it. The stars do not actually turn around the Earth each day as your Scriptures describe in a sensory way. No, it is the Earth revolving and orbiting the sun that causes this illusion to men on its surface. And yes, we do now know the order of the heavens, thanks to the astronomers and physicists of the last few hundred years and its adoption by popes of our Church. It is Big Bang-heliocentric, all moving as they do due to natural universal gravitation ‘laws’ confirmed by Newton, Einstein and your priest Fr. Georges Lemaître.’ In effect then, this cosmic lesson of humility in the Bible is now rendered redundant by the hermetic/Pythagorean/Galilean reformation.

Finally Melkite you talk about the Coriolis effect, the direction of the winds and oceans. You attribute this to the Earth's rotation but could be caused by the univers's rotation around the Earth. But that is only the Earth's rotation. What if the earth is flying through space at 72,000 milers per hour as it is supposed to. If rotation can cause wind and ocean flows, what should be happening if the Earth is orbiting the sun.

In effect nothing happens which is better explained by their being no 72,0000 speed around the sun..

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RE: I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution - by cassini - 06-12-2019, 08:50 AM

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