I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution
(07-03-2019, 03:19 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(07-03-2019, 03:02 PM)cassini Wrote: Here Fisheaters, have a laugh, guess who believed in a rotating universe about a fixed Earth;

‘It not infrequently happens that something about the Earth, about the sky, about other elements of this world, about the motion and rotation or even the magnitude and distances of the stars, about definite eclipses of the sun and moon. . . . and of other such things, may be known with the greatest certainty by reasoning or by experience, even by one who is not a Christian. It is too disgraceful and ruinous, and greatly to be avoided, that he should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are” (St. Augustine, The Literal Interpretation of Genesis 1:19–20, Ch. 19).

More quote-mining, and special pleading because you omit the point of St Augustine's argument which immediately follows what you've quoted (emphasis mine) :

Quote:... The shame is not so much that an ignorant individual is derided, but that people outside the household of faith think our sacred writers held such opinions, and, to the great loss of those for whose salvation we toil, the writers of our Scripture are criticized and rejected as unlearned men. If they find a Christian mistaken in a field which they themselves know well and hear him maintaining his foolish opinions about our books, how are they going to believe those books in matters concerning the resurrection of the dead, the hope of eternal life, and the kingdom of heaven, when they think their pages are full of falsehoods on facts which they themselves have learnt from experience and the light of reason? Reckless and incompetent expounders of Holy Scripture bring untold trouble and sorrow on their wiser brethren when they are caught in one of their mischievous false opinions and are taken to task by those who are not bound by the authority of our sacred books. For then, to defend their utterly foolish and obviously untrue statements, they will try to call upon Holy Scripture for proof and even recite from memory many passages which they think support their position, although they understand neither what they say nor the things about which they make assertion.

St Augustine here is not at all speaking about geocentrism, nor is he professing it as of Faith. This passage in the literal interpretation of Genesis (and remember Augustine along with other Fathers held that the 6 days were not six literal days), is about the need to not make Scripture discord with what is proven or know by natural reason. 

Basically, cassini, Augustine is taking people to task for doing exactly what you're doing.

St Thomas Aquinas agrees in his Summa Theologica I q.68 a.1, in which he cites Augustine and lays out principles for interpreting Scripture in light of natural sciences :

Quote:In discussing questions of this kind two rules are to observed, as Augustine teaches (Gen. ad lit. i, 18). The first is, to hold the truth of Scripture without wavering. The second is that since Holy Scripture can be explained in a multiplicity of senses, one should adhere to a particular explanation, only in such measure as to be ready to abandon it, if it be proved with certainty to be false; lest Holy Scripture be exposed to the ridicule of unbelievers, and obstacles be placed to their believing.

That you could quote a passage which condemns exactly what you are doing in a way that seems to support your case is a pattern with you, cassini.

Bob Sungenis does it all the time, as well. It seems to be right out of the geocentrism playbook. If the quote doesn't fit, craftily edit it so it does.

No he was not taking people to task for doing exactly what you're [I'M] doing. If that is true, then you accuse the Church of 1616 and 1633 of doing what Augustine was warning not to do. In fact, Augustine was warning the likes of Galileo and yourself not to use false-science to change the meaning of Scripture.

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RE: I Dont Have Enough Faith to be an Evolutionist - Skepticism of Evolution - by cassini - 07-04-2019, 06:23 AM

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