The Sainthood Bar has been lowered again by Pope Francis
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Following up on the Pope Leo thread, and the ensuing discussion on the merits of his cause for sainthood versus Paul Vl, Pope Francis has reset the bar with the Beatification of Argentine Bishop Enrique Angelelli, a radical Post Vatican ll (Installed 1968) communist.  Angelelli was known to be so radically left and so political that within his own diocese he was referred to as ‘Satanelli’.

Rorate Caeli reports that He died in a car accident in 1976. Yet Pope Francis has decided to beatify him as a martyr.  The local newspaper just reported that the Bishop “Does not, in any way, represent the model of Christian exemplariness that the Church demands to start a canonization procedure“

Rorate Caeli is saying the pope is promoting a political ideological canonization.

Rotate Caeli - Satanelli Beatification
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This death in a car accident was very likely an assassination. At that time Argentina was ruled by a military junta whose political philosophy was to the right of our alt-right. Anybody who had any concern for the poor was considered 'communist' or 'communist  sympathizer' and subject to disappearance. In the case of the archbishop, who was it that called him "satanelli?" Was it a group who had an interest in maintaining the status quo? The archbishop was a high profile figure whose disappearance would make things uncomfortable to the military junta who were running the country. Instead a 'car accident' made things a lot easier for them.
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As usual, Francis fanboy # 1 jumps in to defend his hero, his main man against slurs from those nasty Traditionalists!
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(Yesterday, 01:15 AM)Poche Wrote: This death in a car accident was very likely an assassination. At that time Argentina was ruled by a military junta whose political philosophy was to the right of our alt-right. Anybody who had any concern for the poor was considered 'communist' or 'communist  sympathizer' and subject to disappearance. In the case of the archbishop, who was it that called him "satanelli?" Was it a group who had an interest in maintaining the status quo? The archbishop was a high profile figure whose disappearance would make things uncomfortable to the military junta who were running the country. Instead a 'car accident' made things a lot easier for them.
Peace.....there's nothing Saintly about any of this!  Isn't there a committee who will determine properly through scrutinizing and procedure IF this guy is really a Saint??  What next.....God bless, angeltime Heart
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(Yesterday, 04:18 AM)angeltime Wrote:
(Yesterday, 01:15 AM)Poche Wrote: This death in a car accident was very likely an assassination. At that time Argentina was ruled by a military junta whose political philosophy was to the right of our alt-right. Anybody who had any concern for the poor was considered 'communist' or 'communist  sympathizer' and subject to disappearance. In the case of the archbishop, who was it that called him "satanelli?" Was it a group who had an interest in maintaining the status quo? The archbishop was a high profile figure whose disappearance would make things uncomfortable to the military junta who were running the country. Instead a 'car accident' made things a lot easier for them.
Peace.....there's nothing Saintly about any of this!  Isn't there a committee who will determine properly through scrutinizing and procedure IF this guy is really a Saint??  What next.....God bless, angeltime Heart

Pope Francis polarizing the flock AGAIN!

Good point angeltime, clearly people such as Father Samuel Mazzachelli (link below) pail in comparison to sainthood to the late great satanelli...

Mazzuchelli, founder of St. Mary's, a step closer to sainthood
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So will this guy actually be canonized? If so what does that say for the process?
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(Yesterday, 01:15 AM)Poche Wrote: This death in a car accident was very likely an assassination. At that time Argentina was ruled by a military junta whose political philosophy was to the right of our alt-right. Anybody who had any concern for the poor was considered 'communist' or 'communist  sympathizer' and subject to disappearance. In the case of the archbishop, who was it that called him "satanelli?" Was it a group who had an interest in maintaining the status quo? The archbishop was a high profile figure whose disappearance would make things uncomfortable to the military junta who were running the country. Instead a 'car accident' made things a lot easier for them.

Facts are stubborn things Poche. The issue you raise is being address over at Rorate Caeli.... quote and link below

"Even if, hypothetically, it had been a murder, Angelelli would not be a martyr for defending the faith. The La Rioja bishop had an active and proved link with the terrorist organization Montoneros. In the photo that illustrates this text, he is seen celebrating mass with the banner of this organization at his back, while in his homilies he spoke in favor of uprising and proposed arming young people.


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With a beatification or canonization, the Church proclaims the Christian exemplariness of the life of a person and authorizes his being the object of cult. A violent and sectarian model must never be proposed. For this reason, we do not think right the words of the current bishop of La Rioja and second vice-president of the Bishops' Conference, Marcelo Colombo, who, when receiving news of the beatification, affirmed: "It is a recognition of the brave witnesses of the Kingdom of God."

It is well known how rigorous are the beatification procedures, how thorough and tedious are the presentation of evidence to endorse a cause. This thoroughness was not applied in this case."

https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2018/0....html#more
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(Yesterday, 06:26 AM)Markie Boy Wrote: So will this guy actually be canonized?  If so what does that say for the process?
Peace.....there was nothing wrong with the process until Francis got in.  Then he cut the process down eliminating some steps and time (so I was told a few years back because Saints were being canonized far too quickly).  First it sounded like it was to speed things up, now it sounds like "canonizing whomever I like."  We might have a hierarchy of "one" and a Church for "one."  God bless, angeltime Heart
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Nothing shocking here. The acting Pope is by his words and actions, pretty openly pro-Communist.  Satan has gained at least a majority of control at the Vatican.
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(Yesterday, 06:26 AM)Markie Boy Wrote: So will this guy actually be canonized?  If so what does that say for the process?

It says we need to pray for the holy father, or for divine providence to bless us with a new pope who will restore tradition. 

I don’t think it says anything about the process per-se, as the process is again reliant upon the implied competency of capable (qualified by education and sufficiently experienced) and impartial priests and prelates working for the good of the faith.  Seeing that many ecclesiastical processes now appear to function without any appropriate controls, I would say that yes he can be canonized if that is what the holy father wants.  The pope is still the pope, until sufficient authority within the church says otherwise, and as such he can continue on the downward spiral (depending on your perspective of course). 

Sufficient authority within the church submitted 5 dubia and could not even get an acknowledgement of receipt, let alone an answer. What has come of it? As well, qualified men, out of charity and love for the Holy Father, issued a Filial Correction to the Pope on matters of faith and morals. What has come of it?  The holy father has just effectively changed the ordinary magisterium of the church, what will come of it?  Who is going to question a canonization? The progressives, modernists, or conservative apologists? Not bloody likely - like most bishops, they truly don’t believe there’s anything wrong. That’s why nothing will get fixed until some type of supernatural enlightenment of conscience prior to a chastisement. 

The institutional organization is rotten. Most democratic organizations within secular society appear to be rotten to the core. Hold fast to tradition and to valid sacraments. 

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