I'm not voting for Trump again
Yeah, the LP lost a bit of credibility at their 2016 convention.  I'd like to see a new and improved Republican party as a third party to overthrow the GOP.  It's Trump's party now.  Even if he gets another 4 years, it'll be a generation or more before they can return to whatever greatness they may have had pre-Trump.  And, with as many Republicans as there were that supported Trump, maybe they don't want it to return.  But for those conservatives Trump's GOP left in the cold, who were willing to modernize a little, there needs to be a third party.  If it's not the LP, then another one needs to rise up.  A truly moderate, center-right party, that's not socialist insane, but also not theocratic insane or white trash dumb either.
I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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(01-11-2019, 11:08 PM)Melkite Wrote: Yeah, the LP lost a bit of credibility at their 2016 convention.  I'd like to see a new and improved Republican party as a third party to overthrow the GOP.  It's Trump's party now.  Even if he gets another 4 years, it'll be a generation or more before they can return to whatever greatness they may have had pre-Trump.  And, with as many Republicans as there were that supported Trump, maybe they don't want it to return.  But for those conservatives Trump's GOP left in the cold, who were willing to modernize a little, there needs to be a third party.  If it's not the LP, then another one needs to rise up.  A truly moderate, center-right party, that's not socialist insane, but also not theocratic insane or white trash dumb either.

Melkite, put down the bong man...you are losing too many brain cells.  LP lost a little credibility?  Try they lost all their credibility.  They outed themselves as a freak show full of anarchists portraying themselves as Libertarians.  Gary Johnson was probably the most Libertarian and was repeadetly booed by the LARPers.

Republican party great before?  GOP now a Trump-partyHuh?

Have you seen the news Melkite?  Never has a party been so divided with one side being actively hostile to their party leader.  I'm sorry the GOP was great until they decided to try and drag Clinton through the coals over his sexual relations with an intern, when many of them were having just as disgusting affairs of their own.  Then they went out of their way to become the war and throw granny off the cliff party.  They wanted to privatize Social Security, they wanted to give the keys to the kingdom to mega-corps and have open borders to appease the Koch Bros and CoC, and put troops in every country and join in unison with John "Never saw a war I didn't like" McCain to send our poorest off to die and get blown up for people who burn our flag and spit in our faces.

Since Trump, the GOP is not hell-bent on repealing Pre-Existing Conditions, In favor of immigration control (so wages aren't kept depressed to favor mega-corps, as they have been for years), and some in the GOP are starting to lose their perverse erotic love of war.  If you want to see real "Compassionate Conservatism" Trump is one who seems at least genuine.


But I agree, Jeff Flake, John Kasich, George Bush, Hank "Rob 'em blind" Paulson, Mittens Romney, Carly "bomb em" Fiorina, Bill "NeoCon" Kristol, and Morning Schmo should all leave the GOP and form their pro-War, pro-Bank, anti-Worker, pro-Abortion party. Then you can join the "modern" party full of the fossils who were responsible for the disaster of the 2000s and the ones who robbed America blind and gave it all to banks.


TDS is strong in you Melkite, just remember it's a mental disorder like Liberalism.
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Gary Johnson is not a libertarian because he supports forcing bakers to bake gay wedding cakes and supports a global taxing scheme using "carbon credits", among other things. Also, his running mate Bill Weld is libertarian only on social issues and towards the end of the campaign suggested that people vote FOR Hillary.
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LOL, no, I don't have TDS.  If I did, I wouldn't be able to defend him to my parents.  I can understand why I appear to have it here, though.

I do like that he is trying to pull us out of every war that we shouldn't be in. He has my support on that.  I'm just surprised by the number of people who fawn over him.  Like, he's not a good person.  That shouldn't be hard to see.  But for a surprisingly high number, it is.  I could completely sympathize with people who said, "Yeah, he's a rotten jerk.  He's uncouth, brazen, doesn't know when to shut his mouth and likes to hear himself talk too much, but he's supporting the right issues and it would be worse with Clinton."  You have sort of said as much.  But these people that think he's the next coming of Christ? Who sincerely think he is a born-again gentleman?  Especially traditional Catholics who are buying into his charade? Mmmm, that's a bridge too far for me.
I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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(01-12-2019, 01:00 PM)Melkite Wrote: LOL, no, I don't have TDS.  If I did, I wouldn't be able to defend him to my parents.  I can understand why I appear to have it here, though.

I do like that he is trying to pull us out of every war that we shouldn't be in. He has my support on that.  I'm just surprised by the number of people who fawn over him.  Like, he's not a good person.  That shouldn't be hard to see.  But for a surprisingly high number, it is.  I could completely sympathize with people who said, "Yeah, he's a rotten jerk.  He's uncouth, brazen, doesn't know when to shut his mouth and likes to hear himself talk too much, but he's supporting the right issues and it would be worse with Clinton."  You have sort of said as much.  But these people that think he's the next coming of Christ? Who sincerely think he is a born-again gentleman?  Especially traditional Catholics who are buying into his charade? Mmmm, that's a bridge too far for me.
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(01-12-2019, 01:00 PM)Melkite Wrote: LOL, no, I don't have TDS.  If I did, I wouldn't be able to defend him to my parents.  I can understand why I appear to have it here, though.

I do like that he is trying to pull us out of every war that we shouldn't be in. He has my support on that.  I'm just surprised by the number of people who fawn over him.  Like, he's not a good person.  That shouldn't be hard to see.  But for a surprisingly high number, it is.  I could completely sympathize with people who said, "Yeah, he's a rotten jerk.  He's uncouth, brazen, doesn't know when to shut his mouth and likes to hear himself talk too much, but he's supporting the right issues and it would be worse with Clinton."  You have sort of said as much.  But these people that think he's the next coming of Christ? Who sincerely think he is a born-again gentleman?  Especially traditional Catholics who are buying into his charade? Mmmm, that's a bridge too far for me.

I agree with this. But I think it's worth noting that even if his Christian talk is all a lie, I would far prefer it that politicians think they have to be Christian to win votes than athiest socialists.
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(01-12-2019, 01:00 PM)Melkite Wrote: LOL, no, I don't have TDS.  If I did, I wouldn't be able to defend him to my parents.  I can understand why I appear to have it here, though.

I do like that he is trying to pull us out of every war that we shouldn't be in. He has my support on that.  I'm just surprised by the number of people who fawn over him.  Like, he's not a good person.  That shouldn't be hard to see.  But for a surprisingly high number, it is.  I could completely sympathize with people who said, "Yeah, he's a rotten jerk.  He's uncouth, brazen, doesn't know when to shut his mouth and likes to hear himself talk too much, but he's supporting the right issues and it would be worse with Clinton."  You have sort of said as much.  But these people that think he's the next coming of Christ? Who sincerely think he is a born-again gentleman?  Especially traditional Catholics who are buying into his charade? Mmmm, that's a bridge too far for me.

I get it, Trump is not the Messiah. Nobody here honestly believes that, but what's all the fanfare about Melkite?

I think it's because for too long every President has been about "the world" and has ignored with joy the suffering of the American people.

Factory jobs shuttering - "Oh that's globalization, just gotta be competitive."
Endless wars with nations people can't even point on a map - "Well we fight them over there, so we aren't fighting them here."
Unrelenting immigration and no attempts to even assimilate the people, leading to balkanization, and low wages - "We're a nation of immigrants."
Pathetic <2% GDP growth - "The new normal, have to accept."

Trump kinda blew away all these excuses and I think that's why people are so pleased with him. Trump never bought into these lies that have been peddled for years that America needs unrelenting immigration, that globalization means loss of American jobs, that it's rednecks fault they are on drugs and booze...and not the fault of an American de-Industrial policy that forced them out of work, and the 1% GDP growth per annum was the "new normal."

Trump said "No" and I think that's why so many (including myself) like him so much. He speaks to a silent, long-ignored group of Americans.
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(01-12-2019, 05:10 PM)Some Guy Wrote: I agree with this. But I think it's worth noting that even if his Christian talk is all a lie, I would far prefer it that politicians think they have to be Christian to win votes than athiest socialists.

I don't get why people go on about his Christianity. He is one of the most faithful and honest Presbyterians out there.
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Trump is a loose cannon and rough around the edges, but you can't deny that his track record while in office has been pretty good. He's made such great strides for the pro-life movement in particular.
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