Why is Ukraine's Kerch Crisis Any of Our Business by Patrick Buchanan
While the world refused to recognize the new reality, Russia began to impose rules for ships transiting the strait, including 48 hours notice to get permission.
Ukrainian vessels, including warships, would have to notify Russian authorities before passing beneath the Kerch Strait Bridge into the Sea of Azov to reach their major port of Mariupol.
Sunday, two Ukrainian artillery ships and a tug, which had sailed out of Odessa in western Ukraine, passed through what Russia now regards as its territorial waters off Crimea and the Kerch Peninsula. Destination: Mariupol.
The Ukrainian vessels refused to obey Russian directives to halt. https://www.theamericanconservative.com/buchanan/
War profiteering is the only answer I have off the top of my head, and a chance to make the American people feel noble about something. I did not answer Buchanan's callous questions, but for President Trump and his administration, and probably the U.S. Congress. President Eiesenhower warned against a U.S. Military, Industrial, Congressional complex that stood no longer for the U.S. Constitution. Patrick Buchanan slanted the article against Ukraine's President, Poroshenko, as "provocative" that he knew the risk to transit The Kerch Strait; however, Crimea was invaded by Russian military to annex it as a strategic tactic to obtain Ukraine. This bridge built along The Kerch Strait is a tactic to obtain Ukraine. President Putin has the over-arching strategy to advance Russia from its growth since President Gorbachev, to a new greatness. It would appear to be more a matter of greed, the U.S. through Poland and the Arctic, would seek Ukraine as a customer of oil, as "Adrian Karatnycky...urges...Europe to cancel the Russian's Nord Stream 2 and South Stream oil pipelines into Europe. ...", the question asked by Patrick Buchanan is "Do the American people care a fig for these places?". Numerous U.S. service members served along Eastern European borders throughout The Cold War not exclusively through N.A.T.O., but U.S. military throughout President Obama's Administration were active throughout the South China Sea. He furthered the question: "Are we really willing to risk war with Russia or China over who holds title to them?". The trade routes between California, China, Japan, etc., and oil lines across The Arctic, seem argued to necessitate a U.S. military presence to include war games, annually. The Mueller investigation into President Trump's alleged Russian collusion, and any subsequent convictions arisen from the investigation, while conservatives by a third, for a time, aligned with President Putin, on perceived themes of family, and religion. The U.S. House is Democratic now. Another socialist is on the U.S. House floor. Maybe two-thirds of Millenials are ignorant of Marxism, and its historical impact on U.S. policies such as at Crimea's Yalta Conference, and now Pope Francis is beleaguered with covering-up sex crimes, as a challenge to Vatican City influence regarding warfare between Asia, Europe, and the Americas. Given there are many issues addressed of state, environment, and Marxist ideology, it hardly seems there is much work to be done. Would it be titles and the lands Americans might give a fig about, or is it the continuous wars of N. Korea, the treaties through N.A.T.O., the imports and exports to sacrifice with China, Japan, Taiwan? Maybe it's the 6,977 deaths of U.S. Department of Defense operations conducted since 2001. Have economic sanctions against President Putin and Russia, been more effective to peace, and justice, than without them? Is it unfair to slant President Poroshenko in need, of a poll boost, while there are some 10,000 dead since Maidenhead? Is it important to identify the view as sided with the polls, or with a Russian bridge along the Strait of Kerch. Has the bridge along North Korea's shore with Russian Federation borders been finished? The U.S. Congress opted out of military intervention against Venezuela, and resorted to further sanctions against Maduro's Cuban backed, brutal Marxist regime. It probably is more important to watch President Trump's U.S. Department of Justice, and how it conducts itself in relation to The Holy Catholic Church.
The U.S. defends her border, so Russia defends her's also. Tit for tat.

Oh, where are the snows of yesteryear!
Russia is on the offensive position.
Ukrainian ships entered Russian territorial waters and disobeyed Russian orders. The USA, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, France, Israel, etc would have done the same thing. This was a direct provocation.
(12-04-2018, 10:27 AM)Eric F Wrote: Ukrainian ships entered Russian territorial waters and disobeyed Russian orders. The USA, Great Britain, Canada, Australia, France, Israel, etc would have done the same thing. This was a direct provocation.

Yes, it was, but Ukraine and most other countries don't see them as Russian waters. It's still none of the US's concern.
The Ukraine in this article has sea ports along The Sea of Azov.  The bridge along The Kerch Strait, it was built after Russian military invaded Crimea, which I understand according to N.A.T.O. violated numerous international laws.  Russia is creating an embargo against Urainian vessels, from accessing their own ports.  https://www.rferl.org/a/kyiv-says-russia...36589.html I think that it is absolutely foolish to look at this as Russia being on the defensive.
(12-04-2018, 10:41 AM)Paul Wrote: ...It's still none of the US's concern.

President Trump, perhaps has rather stupidly or as a matter of collusion with President Putin, backed the U.S. away from N.A.T.O., the relationship between N.A.T.O. the U.S., Turkey and Ukraine is present and relevant to U.S. as a concern not only to natural resources such as oil, but also to ideological differences that have been especially destructive globally across the past 100 years.  The U.S. cannot be excluded from this except as a matter of indifference, or collusion with Russia.
NATO is the reason we're seeing so much tension in Eastern Europe. When the Warsaw Pact was dissolved, NATO should have followed suit, instead they expanded and keep moving closer towards Russia. Twice the West has picked fights with Russia on there own door step through there proxies in Georgia and in Ukraine, and twice Putin has sent them home with bloody noses. That's why he's so popular in his country.
>I think that it is absolutely foolish to look at this as Russia being on the defensive

All I'm saying is:

Trump sends troops in Putin does the same. Tit for tat.

I think they should both jump in the lake.

Oh, where are the snows of yesteryear!

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