Praying for the Salvation of the Deceased (According To Padre Pio)
(01-28-2019, 02:55 PM)Melkite Wrote:
(01-27-2019, 10:13 AM)FultonFan Wrote: I can’t say that makes any sense to me.  But I’m a layperson, more or less just beginning to acquire true wisdom and knowledge.

To me, your death occurs “in time”, not in eternity.  

Let’s take Voltaire for instance.  He was certainly a major critic of the Church, and I understand it’s the case that he died without the Sacraments, and outside the Church. Can that reality be retroactively changed by our prayers?  If that’s true, it’s certainly news to me.

If that’s true, does it extend to other events in time?  Could we pray for World War 2 to have not happened?  I suspect there’s a serious falsehood and error here.

For the sake of argument, if we can pray that World War 2 never happened, and God granted that request, none of us would ever have any knowledge of World War 2 taking place.  If God can make what has happened unhappen, I imagine it would be impossible for anyone in this world to have an awareness of the change taking place.

I guess it'd be pretty difficult for all of those people who died to suddenly appear one day. I think in this case it has more to do with certain events that only occur because of some graces merited through someone's future actions. For example, a person who had a death bed conversion, maybe this only occurred because of graces granted by someone's prayers, sacrifices, Masses offered in the future or maybe someone prays a perfect act of contrition at the time of their death because of some Masses offered for them some time in the future. That's the idea here. Personally, the whole idea of time when it comes to theological discussions is very confusing to me, so I'll just go based on the fact that we can pray for the dead and whatever benefits that brings to those deceased I'll leave to God.
Blood of Christ, relief of the burdened, save us.

“It is my design to die in the brew house; let ale be placed in my mouth when I am expiring, that when the choirs of angels come, they may say, “Be God propitious to this drinker.” – St. Columbanus, A.D. 612

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RE: Praying for the Salvation of the Deceased (According To Padre Pio) - by GangGreen - 01-28-2019, 04:08 PM

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