Evolution and the CCC
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(03-31-2019, 01:37 PM)Tolkien RRJ Wrote: so reading the ccc and fundamentals of catholic dogma but Ludwig Ott it seems to me that the church says theistic evolution is not inconstant with geneses so long as the soul is created by God and Adam and Eve. Is this correct?

The Church's last clear official theological statement on evolution is Pius XII's Humani Generis, which is mostly an encyclical against Fr Pierre Teilhard de Chardin and Neo-Modernism, both of which employ Darwinian evolutionary theories in theology. The former would hold that man as a society is evolving into Christ. The later would assert with Modernism that since religion comes from an evolving process of understanding, so dogmas evolve and change, too.

Both are obviously false, but there's the false step of then asserting not that their premises are wrong but going too far and asserting based on this condemnation that that the foundations of their theology (namely evolution) is necessarily false.

There are good arguments on a scientific and biological level against macroevolution. There are good theologican and philosophical limits to what evolution if true could do. And thus instead of condemning evolution as such (which would have been this "going too far") Pius XII left the question of evolution to natural sciences and philosophy, while setting out the theological limits.


Quote:35. It remains for Us now to speak about those questions which, although they pertain to the positive sciences, are nevertheless more or less connected with the truths of the Christian faith. In fact, not a few insistently demand that the Catholic religion take these sciences into account as much as possible. This certainly would be praiseworthy in the case of clearly proved facts; but caution must be used when there is rather question of hypotheses, having some sort of scientific foundation, in which the doctrine contained in Sacred Scripture or in Tradition is involved. If such conjectural opinions are directly or indirectly opposed to the doctrine revealed by God, then the demand that they be recognized can in no way be admitted.

36. For these reasons the Teaching Authority of the Church does not forbid that, in conformity with the present state of human sciences and sacred theology, research and discussions, on the part of men experienced in both fields, take place with regard to the doctrine of evolution, in as far as it inquires into the origin of the human body as coming from pre-existent and living matter - for the Catholic faith obliges us to hold that souls are immediately created by God. However, this must be done in such a way that the reasons for both opinions, that is, those favorable and those unfavorable to evolution, be weighed and judged with the necessary seriousness, moderation and measure, and provided that all are prepared to submit to the judgment of the Church, to whom Christ has given the mission of interpreting authentically the Sacred Scriptures and of defending the dogmas of faith. Some however, rashly transgress this liberty of discussion, when they act as if the origin of the human body from pre-existing and living matter were already completely certain and proved by the facts which have been discovered up to now and by reasoning on those facts, and as if there were nothing in the sources of divine revelation which demands the greatest moderation and caution in this question.
37. When, however, there is question of another conjectural opinion, namely polygenism, the children of the Church by no means enjoy such liberty. For the faithful cannot embrace that opinion which maintains that either after Adam there existed on this earth true men who did not take their origin through natural generation from him as from the first parent of all, or that Adam represents a certain number of first parents. Now it is in no way apparent how such an opinion can be reconciled with that which the sources of revealed truth and the documents of the Teaching Authority of the Church propose with regard to original sin, which proceeds from a sin actually committed by an individual Adam and which, through generation, is passed on to all and is in everyone as his own.
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Evolution and the CCC - by Tolkien RRJ - 03-31-2019, 01:37 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by St. Camillus - 03-31-2019, 03:01 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Melkite - 03-31-2019, 03:19 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Ginnyfree - 03-31-2019, 05:23 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Melkite - 03-31-2019, 05:56 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Ginnyfree - 03-31-2019, 07:48 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Tolkien RRJ - 03-31-2019, 05:38 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by MagisterMusicae - 03-31-2019, 05:56 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Ginnyfree - 03-31-2019, 07:55 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by MagisterMusicae - 03-31-2019, 08:17 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Ginnyfree - 04-01-2019, 07:01 AM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by MagisterMusicae - 04-01-2019, 02:50 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by GangGreen - 03-31-2019, 10:22 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Ginnyfree - 03-31-2019, 05:01 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by MagisterMusicae - 03-31-2019, 06:09 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by Ginnyfree - 03-31-2019, 08:00 PM
RE: Evolution and the CCC - by MagisterMusicae - 03-31-2019, 07:21 PM



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