Thoughts on the anti-vax vs pro-vax issue?
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(05-04-2019, 02:02 PM)GoodKingWenceslas Wrote: I don't have much of an opinion on the issue, but I couldn't imagine being anti-vax unless I knew about science. God wouldn't judge me for following the advice of experts in something that doesn't contradict His revelation, but He would judge me for not doing so if it endangered people.

Do you think God would judge you if you followed the advice of experts on something that did endanger people, and you could easily discover for yourself that it did with simple research, but because of the nature of the experts and society, you had no idea it was endangering people or that you might discover it was by researching it?
I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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The problem to me with MMR is foregoing the R or German measles.  It is really dangerous for a pregnant woman and her unborn child if they contract it.  But we don't have the option to get the vaccine on its own.  These are difficult decisions to make as a member of society and as a parent.  I think God will forgive us what we choose.  This is not a matter of faith.
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I posted earlier in this thread that MMR may be ineffective. Here's an article about the lawsuit on the matter: https://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists...acy-fraud/

Frankly, this is precisely how worried and concerned scientists, working in a lab, could get around a multi-Billion dollar company's stonewalling and obfuscation of the facts, and get the truth out.
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(05-07-2019, 05:03 PM)Zedta Wrote: I posted earlier in this thread that MMR may be ineffective. Here's an article about the lawsuit on the matter: https://ahrp.org/former-merck-scientists...acy-fraud/

Frankly, this is precisely how worried and concerned scientists, working in a lab, could get around a multi-Billion dollar company's stonewalling and obfuscation of the facts, and get the truth out.

Thank you, we as a family opted against MMR.  Just saying, the decision continues to agonize me.
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(05-07-2019, 04:47 PM)mpk1987 Wrote: The problem to me with MMR is foregoing the R or German measles.  It is really dangerous for a pregnant woman and her unborn child if they contract it.  But we don't have the option to get the vaccine on its own.  These are difficult decisions to make as a member of society and as a parent.  I think God will forgive us what we choose.  This is not a matter of faith.

Actually, the mother has little risk, but for the baby, it can be truly disastrous with genetic anomalies galore.

When I was a medic in the USAF, my first assignment was Labor and Delivery. I later was NCOIC of the Nursery. We had a child born with this disease's effects. It is also how I caught German Measles. I had a rash, that got worse in the sun and a runny nose and it was all over in three days. The baby. sadly, was not so mildly affected.

Thankfully, GM is quite rare (Extremely rare :Fewer than 1,000 cases per year in US), and those who contract it often are unaware they are even ill. The rash is not often very obvious, except in the sun. There is low-grade or no fever and few other symptoms, generally. There can always be exceptions, but it is infrequent.
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
 
A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureaucracy
Huxley
 
The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything  
Einstein
 
Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain
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(05-07-2019, 05:07 PM)mpk1987 Wrote: Just saying, the decision continues to agonize me.
Social pressure from the uninformed can be unrelenting, but I would suggest that the old ways are much superior to the modern approach. If your children are preadolescent, Measles, Mumps and Rubella are like getting a moderately severe case of the flu. If, like my generation, who are mostly immune for life after contracting the disease and recovering with 'Acquired Immunity", was practiced today, there would be no reason to have a vaccine, which temporarily gives immunity (with different levels of efficacy) and exposes the recipient to toxic adjunctives such as mercury, barium and other chemicals, with aluminum used in most MMR vaccines.

Don't agonize. You are looking out for your children and THAT is good parenting by anyone who is not fully programmed into the system.
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
 
A democracy which makes or even effectively prepares for modern, scientific war must necessarily cease to be democratic. No country can be really well prepared for modern war unless it is governed by a tyrant, at the head of a highly trained and perfectly obedient bureaucracy
Huxley
 
The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything  
Einstein
 
Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain
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