What do Protestants experience when they describe a “personal relationship with God”?
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(08-14-2019, 01:25 PM)FultonFan Wrote: That said: there ARE people in this group that sincerely turn to God in sorrow and repentance (however incomplete it may be, with their rejection of the Church).

What graces are they receiving? As Catholics, we know that all men get sufficient grace to be saved.
Are they receiving anything additional by their turning to God in that manner?

I can't say if they're receiving any additional graces with their "personal relationship," but I suppose those Evangelicals who are sincere in their love for Christ might be better disposed to accept the truth and become Catholic eventually.  Conversion stories of former Evangelicals aren't hard to come by.  However, when I think of the many Evangelicals out there, even the ones who appear to be on fire with love for Christ, I can't help but remember passages like Matthew 7:21-23 and much of Matthew 25. These verses seem to suggest that some who profess to follow Christ, even doing great things in his name, are not truly his disciples and will not be saved in the end.

Here is what Matthew 7:21-23 says:

Quote:Not every one that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven.  Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name, and done many miracles in thy name?  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Those are some pretty powerful things those damned men did in the name of the Lord, and yet, in the end, they are cast out of the Lord's presence into hell.  While present-day "personal relationship with Jesus" Protestants do wonderful things, like study Scripture, profess a belief in the centrality of Christ, feel intense love for the Lord, help the poor, preach the Good News (or their understanding of it), it doesn't seem to rise to the level of casting out demons and performing genuine miracles.

I suppose one might wonder what a devoted Protestant, with his alleged personal relationship with Jesus, might be doing that is a work of iniquity.  My guess would be their heretical teachings, that they don't hesitate to pass along, to the detriment of many souls.  A person who hears their preaching and accepts their religion will not have access to the sacraments, which are real means of grace.  So, while Billy Graham might have converted thousands who then received a valid baptism, they never received the sacrament of penance for any post-baptismal sins unless they later became Roman Catholics.  They don't have the Eucharist, so they can't offer the tremendous grace that one would receive from Our Lord's Body and Blood.  I've also never met an Evangelical who hasn't happily accepted a lapsed Catholic into their fold.  By doing that they are encouraging and aiding a Catholic in grave sin.  And so on.
"For the true friends of the people are neither revolutionaries nor innovators, but traditionalists."
- Pope St. Pius X

"For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables."
- 2 Timothy 4:3-4

"Therefore God shall send them the operation of error, to believe lying: That all may be judged who have not believed the truth, but have consented to iniquity."
- 2 Thessalonians 2:11-12
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RE: What do Protestants experience when they describe a “personal relationship with God”? - by SeekerofChrist - 08-15-2019, 02:05 AM



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