Traditional third orders?
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Are there any traditional third orders or other lay religious societies that anyone can recommend? I have been considering joining a lay religious order these past few years but I have yet to find one that seems spiritually worthwhile.
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I only know of the Carmelites as a third order. I would join them in a heartbeat, if there were a group near me.
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The only specifically 'Traditional' Third Order I'm aware of is the SSPX Third Order. The Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite, etc. Third Orders vary widely. The Carmelite TO, of which I've been a member for 30+ years, is especially anti-Tradition, but I have permission from Rome to follow the old Rule, and I simply keep my head down and my mouth shut so it doesn't become a matter of obedience under the Rule.

The problem is that groups like the Carmelites in Wyoming and the Carmelite Hermits are not in the 'chain of command', so to speak. IOW, they are not juridically part of the Order of Carmel or of the Discalced Order. They are part of the 'Carmelite Family', but only the First Orders of the two main branches can authorise Tertiary groups.

Same goes for the Traditional monasteries of cloistered Carmelite Nuns. They are Second Order and only the First can create Tertiaries.

From what I know the situation in the other Mendicant Orders is similar. However, you might look at the possibility of becoming an Oblate of a Traditional Benedictine House. I'm not sure what the procedures are, but it's worth exploring.
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The ICK has a lay society?

http://www.institute-christ-king.org/lay-society
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(09-02-2019, 05:30 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: The only specifically 'Traditional' Third Order I'm aware of is the SSPX Third Order. The Franciscan, Dominican, Carmelite, etc. Third Orders vary widely

I posted yesterday "Secular Franciscan trad: any advice?" That relates to your comment. What about the FSSP Confraternity of St. Peter? It's not explained sufficiently on the Fraternity web page. Can't discern if it's anything more than a mailing list for prayer intentions. Anyone know?
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From what I can gather it's simply a sodality of prayer, like the Confraternity of the Rosary or the Holy Name Society (formally the Confraternity of the Most Holy Name of God and Jesus), not anything like a Third Order.
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Here's info on some of the Third Orders available under the SSPX:

https://sspx.org/en/third-order-st-francis-info

https://sspx.org/en/dominican-third-order
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(10-06-2019, 10:47 AM)Augustinian Wrote: Here's info on some of the Third Orders available under the SSPX:

https://sspx.org/en/third-order-st-francis-info

https://sspx.org/en/dominican-third-order

I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. As anyone who has followed this forum over the years knows, I have nothing but the utmost love and respect for Monseigneur Lefebvre and the Society. I would attend their Masses in a heart beat if there was one nearby.


But I have to ask a question? What are these organisations the 'third order' of? Third Orders are just that, third orders. The male Religious (often Priests) make up the First Order, the female Religious make up the Second, and the laity make up the Third.

Without a First Order, there can be no Second or Third. Am I missing something?
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(10-06-2019, 04:10 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(10-06-2019, 10:47 AM)Augustinian Wrote: Here's info on some of the Third Orders available under the SSPX:

https://sspx.org/en/third-order-st-francis-info

https://sspx.org/en/dominican-third-order

I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. As anyone who has followed this forum over the years knows, I have nothing but the utmost love and respect for Monseigneur Lefebvre and the Society. I would attend their Masses in a heart beat if there was one nearby.


But I have to ask a question? What are these organisations the 'third order' of? Third Orders are just that, third orders. The male Religious (often Priests) make up the First Order, the female Religious make up the Second, and the laity make up the Third.

Without a First Order, there can be no Second or Third. Am I missing something?
From a little google searching it appears there's a traditionalist order of Friars Minor based in Morgon, France that oversee the SSPX Franciscan Third Order. The info is sparse though, surprisingly.

https://www.sspxasia.com/Documents/Socie...uchins.htm

https://sspx.org/en/news-events/news/cap...oming-2492


https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/archiv...-1915.html
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(10-06-2019, 04:10 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(10-06-2019, 10:47 AM)Augustinian Wrote: Here's info on some of the Third Orders available under the SSPX:

https://sspx.org/en/third-order-st-francis-info

https://sspx.org/en/dominican-third-order

I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. As anyone who has followed this forum over the years knows, I have nothing but the utmost love and respect for Monseigneur Lefebvre and the Society. I would attend their Masses in a heart beat if there was one nearby.


But I have to ask a question? What are these organisations the 'third order' of? Third Orders are just that, third orders. The male Religious (often Priests) make up the First Order, the female Religious make up the Second, and the laity make up the Third.

Without a First Order, there can be no Second or Third. Am I missing something?

But these third orders are preceded by the other two.
The Franciscan First Order is formed by the Capuchin friars of France, the Second Order by the Franciscan sisters in Europe and Central America, and the Third Order by the laity.
The Dominican First Order is formed by the French Dominican friars*, the Second Order by the Dominican nuns in Europe and New Zealand, and the Third Order by the laity.
* They are no longer called Dominicans of Avrillé, for the monastery and some the friars have joined the "Resistance".
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