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(09-10-2019, 09:43 AM)Emblemfan Wrote: You do not need to eat meat to be healthy. Even the American Dietetic Association says it's healthy at all stages of life. There's no shortage of plants to eat, since the vast majority of plant agriculture goes towards feeding livestock anyways. It's not necessary to kill animals for food, it's a luxury you enjoy at the cost of their lives. You don't have to be an atheistic misanthrope pagan evolutionist either.

I have a lot of sympathy for the vegan cause.  It's something I looked into for a while.  I discovered humans really are not meant to be vegan.  We, especially in the West, could certainly cut back tremendously on the amount of animal products we eat.  But we really can't cut them out completely. 

THere have been continual links to veganism with reduced brain function due to lack of Vitamin B12.  Vegans will state that you can get it from fortified yeast flakes, or plant-based B12.  But the research shows, at least as of a year ago, that humans cannot absorb plant-based B12 the way we can animal-based.  In fact, there was no evidence that plant-based B12 was any better at alleviating the neurological issues associated with veganism than not taking B12 at all.  And the effects don't become apparent until after many years of deprivation have taken place, such that vegans spend years as vegans thinking they don't have any problem at all.

Dietary supplements don't exist in nature.  While you can find vegetarianism in primitive cultures, you don't find veganism.  Even today, you rarely find true veganism outside of the English-speaking world, and it's almost unheard of outside of the rest of the West.  Veganism is made possible by the ability to mechanically extract vital nutrients and place them into less offensive means of transmission.  Take away industrialization, and vegans will lose vital brain function within a decade if they remain vegan.
I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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I imagine many Western meat-eaters would become vegetarian if they had to do their own slaughtering to eat meat.
I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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(09-11-2019, 11:39 AM)Zedta Wrote:
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I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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(09-11-2019, 11:09 AM)Melkite Wrote: You also said Jesus said to Peter, "Kill and eat," yet that was clearly in the context of a dream intended to mean evangelizing the gentiles.  Let's not expand upon scripture beyond what it was intended to mean to suit our own purposes, hmm?

The context was primarily about the food laws of the Old Covenant and which animals were clean and unclean. I suppose it could apply to the Gentiles being part of the Church, too, but the literal meaning is about food. There's a reason Christians don't follow the kosher laws.
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(09-11-2019, 01:22 PM)Paul Wrote: The context was primarily about the food laws of the Old Covenant and which animals were clean and unclean. I suppose it could apply to the Gentiles being part of the Church, too, but the literal meaning is about food. There's a reason Christians don't follow the kosher laws.

The context clearly has nothing to do with food laws.  Literally the entire passage is explicitly about evangelizing the Gentiles.


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Quote:At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. 2He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. 3One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!”
Quote:4Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked.
The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. 5Now send men to Joppa to bring back a man named Simon who is called Peter. 6He is staying with Simon the tanner, whose house is by the sea.”
7When the angel who spoke to him had gone, Cornelius called two of his servants and a devout soldier who was one of his attendants. 8He told them everything that had happened and sent them to Joppa.

9About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
14“Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
15The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
16This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.
17While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. 18They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.
19While Peter was still thinking about the vision, the Spirit said to him, “Simon, three men are looking for you. 20So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”
21Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?”
22The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man, who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.” 23Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.

The next day Peter started out with them, and some of the believers from Joppa went along. 24The following day he arrived in Caesarea. Cornelius was expecting them and had called together his relatives and close friends. 25As Peter entered the house, Cornelius met him and fell at his feet in reverence. 26But Peter made him get up. “Stand up,” he said, “I am only a man myself.”
27While talking with him, Peter went inside and found a large gathering of people. 28He said to them: “You are well aware that it is against our law for a Jew to associate with or visit a Gentile. But God has shown me that I should not call anyone impure or unclean. 29So when I was sent for, I came without raising any objection. May I ask why you sent for me?”
30Cornelius answered: “Three days ago I was in my house praying at this hour, at three in the afternoon. Suddenly a man in shining clothes stood before me 31and said, ‘Cornelius, God has heard your prayer and remembered your gifts to the poor. 32Send to Joppa for Simon who is called Peter. He is a guest in the home of Simon the tanner, who lives by the sea.’ 33So I sent for you immediately, and it was good of you to come. Now we are all here in the presence of God to listen to everything the Lord has commanded you to tell us.”
34Then Peter began to speak: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism 35but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. 36You know the message God sent to the people of Israel, announcing the good news of peace through Jesus Christ, who is Lord of all. 37You know what has happened throughout the province of Judea, beginning in Galilee after the baptism that John preached— 38how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.
39“We are witnesses of everything he did in the country of the Jews and in Jerusalem. They killed him by hanging him on a cross, 40but God raised him from the dead on the third day and caused him to be seen. 41He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen—by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. 42He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. 43All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.”
44While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. 46For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God.
Then Peter said, 47“Surely no one can stand in the way of their being baptized with water. They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have.” 48So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days.


Note that even in the few verses that speak about food, Jesus said this three times to Peter.  This is a reference to Jesus telling Peter three times to feed his sheep.  The context shows that food is only spoken of allegorically.
I have resigned myself to the reality that I shall have no peace or joy should I continue to exist for eternity.  The question of deism or Christianity no longer matters.  I hope that Christianity is a farce, and that when I die, my consciousness will cease to exist.  In the meantime, I ask the Theotokos to be at my side at my judgement and ask her to intercede to, as I beg, Christ to have mercy on me and to allow me to cease to exist when I die.
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(09-11-2019, 11:38 AM)Melkite Wrote: I imagine many Western meat-eaters would become vegetarian if they had to do their own slaughtering to eat meat.

Not me, but then I've slaughtered chickens, hogs, and steers, as well as shooting, cleaning, and cooking game.

Tho' I've often argued that if you're opposed to hunting for food, you should be a vegetarian. Otherwise, if hunting for food is cruel and/or immoral and you eat meat, you're just passing the cruelty or immorality on to someone else.

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