Legal Cannabis and Morality
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(09-17-2019, 01:27 PM)1Faith Wrote: [...] So again, with all these different cannabis products it becomes a tricky issue morally.

This was already addressed. The only "tricky" part is the prudential application of general principles to an individual's circumstances. If one so chooses to use a product, he would be informed about what he is doing, the effects of it, and why he wants to do a particular thing. And he needs to know himself. The morality is in the act, not the product.

(09-17-2019, 01:27 PM)1Faith Wrote: Also, the evidence for mental health problems due to cannabis use is complicated. For one, only thc is the issue here, cbd actually has anti-psychotic properties and mitigates the effect of thc.

I already addressed this as well. This is why I specifically say either THC or CBD when I mean one or the other.

(09-17-2019, 01:27 PM)1Faith Wrote: There is very little substantial evidence of long-term cognitive impairment in adult users. By all counts imaginable cannabis is a safer substance than alcohol.

We should be careful to distinguish here. We simply have an absence of evidence at this point, that is, insufficient research due to the lack of time for longitudinal studies. We do not have evidence that there is no long-term impairment.

Your second sentence is certainly an exaggeration. "All counts" includes the use or misuse of a substance by individuals since we are not just talking about substances themselves but, when we discuss morality, the use or misuse of substances by rational individuals. This is a fruitless path of argumentation to go down since it is unquantifiable and mostly irrelevant to the moral arguments.

(09-17-2019, 01:27 PM)1Faith Wrote: I'd eventually like to see a detailed analysis come down from Rome to provide Catholics with guidance on this issue. I just hope itd be well-informed, and not a regurgitation of 90's DARE propaganda. It's definitely not as simple as weed = bad.

Strawman. The bishops who have addressed the issue don't couch it in those terms. If you actually read the documents that have been released, they will refer to the medical literature, even if imperfectly, as well as give analyses along the lines of traditional virtue ethics. Virtue ethics is how the Catechism addresses the issue as well.

Typically it's not the place of "Rome" to make such an analysis. And if you really want what Pope Francis has to say, he has a consistent record of saying "no to all drugs." For what it's worth... 

But if you read the paper I had linked to, you would see that the Pontifical Council for Family ("Rome" in the relevant sense here) addressed this issue broadly in 1997, and their concerns do not hinge principally on the medical effects of these drugs but how drug use is symptomatic of larger moral and spiritual problems, although the medical effects are certainly important for one line of argumentation. Some relevant quotations to this conversation:

Quote:It is the quantity consumed, the way of absorption and eventual side-effects that are the decisive factors. [...]

Lastly, the problem of drug dependence should rightly be extended to include many substances (tranquilizers, sedatives, anti-depressants, stimulants) that are not considered "drugs", including tobacco and alcohol. In fact the problem is posed in terms different from those which are merely biochemical. [...]

It is not drugs that are in question, but the human, psychological and existential issues implicit in this kind of behaviour. All too often we do not want to understand these issues and forget that it is not the product that creates the addiction, but the person who feels the need for it. Products may differ but the basic reasons remain the same. Thus the distinction between "hard drugs" and "soft drugs" is irrelevant.

It has some other good things to say about issues surrounding legalization as well.

Given all the other problems in the Church, it's refreshing to see a document focus on the underlying spiritual problems that this entire conversation presupposes. And it echoes back to what Some Guy said earlier, which is a true Catholic spirit:


Quote:I'm more interested in asking myself, "What else in my life could I cut back on in order to grow in temperance?" or "What in my life do I need to abstain from in order to mortify my senses?"
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Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 01:52 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Some Guy - 09-17-2019, 06:25 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 10:49 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 12:14 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 01:44 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:37 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:58 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 01:27 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 02:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 03:00 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:30 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by VoxClamantis - 09-18-2019, 03:36 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:37 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:47 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:59 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 07:06 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 07:27 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 11:19 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 07:33 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 10:09 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 11:14 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by VoxClamantis - 09-18-2019, 04:54 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-21-2019, 11:14 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 11:22 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 11:58 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 12:59 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 03-25-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:16 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 05:05 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 03-25-2021, 02:33 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 03-25-2021, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 04:35 PM
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