Legal Cannabis and Morality
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(09-17-2019, 01:07 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: Big business monopolies do kill people, but in other ways. They choke out the little guy and set up laws and policies that benefit themselves alone, making it nearly impossible for small businesses and independent guys to get involved. 

 They write the rules and stack the cards in their favor, they are little more than a bloated corporate mafia, not much different from the drug cartels only with a thin veneer of legitimacy because they are state sanctioned.  It sickens me that cannabis is falling to this same scheme.

Note the common theme there: 'laws and policies', 'writing the rules', 'state sanctioned'. It's only because the government stacks the deck for them that they can do such things. I do agree that many regulations are meant to kill off small businesses, due to the cost of compliance, but that's a fault of the government. Primarily, in the US, because of FDR and his threats to stack the Supreme Court to approve his New Deal.

I'm not familiar with the laws everywhere, but I did watch something about Colorado and it said there are all sorts of businesses involved, even though they have to grow their own. It didn't seem like it was 'big' anything, just small businesses that happened to be in the marijuana industry. Maybe it's changed since then, or it's different elsewhere.

Everyone likes to hate on companies like Wal-Mart, and there's things to dislike, but there are also benefits to large companies. They're able to get their goods for cheaper from farmers and manufacturers, and then sell them cheaper than small businesses can. People complain about mom-and-pop places going away, but they shop at the big stores. Maybe the quality of items isn't quite as good, but lower prices are better for the poor.

(09-17-2019, 01:07 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: No doubt drug gangs are a moral evil, but so are big corporate oligarchies. Look at the whole Oxy scandal recently, where that company knew that stuff was addictive as hell yet pushed it and led to thousands of deaths and opened the door to hard drug addiction (heroin) once the pharmacist/doctor drug pushers stopped writing scripts.

With cannabis why not just tolerate it and let people grow it for themselves and or buy it wherever they can find it?

Not just the gangs, but the effects it has on the police and others. When the police get to keep (or sell) your car because you sold a bag of weed from it, and they're already underfunded, they're going to go after drug crimes much harder, and going to be much more aggressive about pulling people over who might have drugs. I'm not saying the police are always right or always wrong, but there's a reason people talk about 'driving while black'. Whether it's true or not, the perception is there, and the war on drugs is a large part of it. Then there's the huge amounts of money spent to prosecute, defend, and incarcerate people for drugs, not to mention the other crimes committed because black-market anything is more expensive.

I'm fine with people growing their own, but not everyone is going to want to - plenty of people buy their food at the store instead of growing a garden.

I don't think big business is an evil in itself. Sure, corporate executives have done evil things, and should be punished when they do. But it's a lot easier to punish a corporation than a gang. Really, how many huge corporate scandals are there, especially compared to the violence that goes on every day in places like Chicago or Mexico or Colombia because of the gangs and cartels?


(09-17-2019, 01:07 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: The other bad thing about Big Cannabis and legalization is that it can open the door to more people wanting to use.  At least on the black market or if it's not totally accepted it probably keeps many from trying it.  I guess I don't necessarily want a lot of people becoming users.

Legalisation probably does increase use. But I also think that most people who want to drugs already use them, and I'd rather have more people buying a pack of marijuana cigarettes at the store for $5 or $10 than fewer people breaking into people's houses and stealing their stuff to pay higher street prices. And maybe if they could legally smoke marijuana, they wouldn't move on to other drugs, especially the synthetic ones that are so much worse for you, but basically exist because they weren't illegal (yet) and marijuana was.

I don't want more users, but I also don't want to be spending billions every year to lock people up for getting high. That's money better spent by the people who earned it, or, if it has to be confiscated by the state, it could go towards other things, including assistance for the poor.

(09-17-2019, 01:07 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: Point well taken on the catechism though, as certain things can and do change and I would hope the Church would reconsider its harsh stance on cannabis.

If it is the Church's stance, and not merely some churchman's, or even the pope's, opinion. I'm not aware of anything else the Church has said about drugs - I'm sure Aquinas wrote about drunkenness - so while we should consider what it says, I'm a bit sceptical of anything the Vatican have come up in the past few decades.

(09-17-2019, 01:07 PM)formerbuddhist Wrote: In closing I hope I don't come off too harsh, it's not my intention.  It's just a subject I feel quite strongly about.  I'm not really the type of dude to like to push people's buttons, not on purpose at least.

I don't think you've been harsh. I get the argument for drugs being illegal, and it's not that I want more people using them, and I have no interest in them myself. I'd probably get addicted if I ever did try them, so better to just not even start. But I do work in the courts, so I see how it affects people every day, and I pay taxes and see what they're spent on (most of the budget is for prisons), so, on the whole, I think toleration is the better option. But this is one of those areas Catholics can disagree on - even if it's a bit off-topic, since the original question was whether a Catholic can use, or invest, in places where it's legal. And at that point, whether marijuana should be legal is moot - it is - only whether it's moral. I don't see it as much different from alcohol or tobacco. I've never smoked it, so I don't know what it does, but people who have keep saying you can smoke it and not lose your reason.
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