Legal Cannabis and Morality
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Quote:But there are other grave sins which tie into marijuana use, particularly scandal.
Correct, that's a very good point. Smoking a blunt at a marijuana festival or social club would without a doubt be scandalous for a Catholic to do. Doing it in the privacy of one's home away from any children would be a different matter.

Quote:Then there are other things like sins against the Fifth Commandment from drugged driving
Absolutely. Never use cannabis and drive. I doubt anyone argues that point.

Quote:Only puritans or those trying to promote recreational use of drugs will make some equivalence between the bit of caffeine in my morning coffee and a caffeine pill.
So is taking a caffeine pill sinful? That would be bad news for me, i've been taking a caffeine pill every day I work before work for nearly a decade now. I'm a cook at a busy casino, I'm constantly on my feet and moving fast all day long, I'd have a hard time doing that without those caffeine pills.

Quote:People smoke and consume marijuana for the high.
That's true in many cases. However, as I've explained, there are high-cbd, low-thc strains of cannabis that are becoming increasingly popular and are not used to induce a high. They are used to induce relaxation and relief of anxiety. I fail to see how mild use of such strains is morally different from having two glasses of red wine in the evening.

Quote:Legitimate medical use would involve extracting the chemicals which are beneficial and using those separately, not smoking.
There's a major problem with that line of thinking. The cannabinoids in Cannabis work together synergistically; this is referred to as the "entourage effect". I use a full spectrum cbd tincture daily, which is a whole-plant extract derived from hemp flower. It includes all the cannabinoids in the plant, with thc constituting less than .3%. These preparations work better than isolated preparations because the cannabinoids work more efficiently in the presence of each other. As an example lets consider a cancer patient suffering from extreme nausea. If you were to give them a pill of pure thc, it would relieve the nausea but could induce strong anxiety. This has been often reported by patients who take Marinol, which is pure synthetic thc. However, if that same patient takes a balanced extract of cannabis containing a proportionately high quantity of cbd, the anti-nausea effects of the thc would be in place, but the anxiety-inducing effects of the thc would be mitigated by the presence of cbd. Long story short, your presumption that isolated cannabinoids are more effective is demonstrably erroneous. All of that said, I will agree that smoking is not a good idea, and there are countless varieties of whole-plant extract that eliminate the need to smoke cannabis flower.

Quote:It was only by breeding that THC levels were increased, and why? For the high.
That's because it was only found within the black market for so long, and the illicit drug trade is all about producing intoxication, so it's no surprise that dealers bred the plant to produce high quantities of the intoxicating compound. Under a legal market, the plant is used in a thousand different ways and low-thc preparations are both popular and sought-after for their therapeutic effects.

Quote: But, no one is going to smoke or consume hemp.
You must not be aware of the booming hemp-flower industry then. Since the 2018 farm bill that descheduled hemp, smokeable hemp flower has become very popular. Why would anyone smoke that? Because the hundreds of cannabinoids in the plant induce relaxation, just without the head high and euphoria induced by thc. I've smoked hemp flower before and it does have a noticeable psychoactive effect, just without being in any way intoxicating. Its like being very relaxed but with a completely clear head.

Quote:The common thread is that marijuana use is about the high, not about medicinal usage.
Not true at all. I highly recommend watching the CNN documentary series "Weed". Its available for free on YouTube. There you will find countless stories of people who have suffered debilitating diseases and have found tremendously relief from the use of (whole-plant) cannabis. This whole notion that whole-plant medicine is somehow not medicinal is a product of a blind faith in the Pharmaceutical industry. Often times plant medicines work much better than pharmaceuticals do, with far fewer side effects. After all, God gave us the plants of the earth for food and medicine.

Quote:Medicines which have a psychoactive effect are rightly and tightly regulated. So any preparation with THC would need to be prescribed just like other scheduled drugs.

You are using the term psychoactive incorrectly. Even caffeine is psychoactive, meaning it affects the mind. CBD is absolutely psychoactive, if it wasn't it would do nothing at all for anxiety. CBD is non-intoxicating, but it is psychoactive. Also I find it odd the blind trust you have in the western pharmaceutical establishment. Suppose someone has no health insurance and can't afford to have a physician. Can they not use a legal substance to relieve their symptoms? What about someone in the third world who has no access to a physician? Can they not use cannabis in place of opium to manage pain? Why is one morally obliged to have the consent of a physician? People have after all been self-medicating for far longer than they have been seeing professional physicians. The western medical establishment is a comparatively recent innovation in human society.

Quote:The industry is about marijuana use, and as established above marijuana use is about the high.
You did not establish that at all, countless people use it for various therapeutic reasons. Let's compare it to alcohol. Is it morally impermissible to work in the alcohol industry, because many people will binge drink, get drunk, and do stupid things? No, of course a Catholic can work in the alcohol industry. How is it different then with marijuana? If the product is used by some for relief of debilitating symptoms, others to sleep better at night, and by others to get intoxicated and make poor decisions, how is working in that industry intrinsically sinful? Only one of the uses is sinful, while the others are not, which would mean, it seems, that the culpability for the misuse falls on the person misusing it. Your whole argument about the immorality of working in the industry hinges on the notion that the only reason people use cannabis is to get high. This is demonstrably false.

Let me make one thing clear again though, I absolutely agree that using intoxicating strains of cannabis for recreational purposes is sinful and violates the virtue of temperance. I am not making an apology for recreational marijuana use. But it seems there are morally licit uses of the substance, it's just a matter of determining where to draw the lines.
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Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 01:52 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Some Guy - 09-17-2019, 06:25 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 10:49 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 12:14 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 01:44 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:37 PM
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Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 01:27 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 02:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 03:00 PM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by VoxClamantis - 09-18-2019, 03:36 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:37 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:47 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:59 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 07:06 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 07:27 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 11:19 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 07:33 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 10:09 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 11:14 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 09-18-2019, 12:40 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by VoxClamantis - 09-18-2019, 04:54 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 09-20-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-21-2019, 11:14 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 09-20-2019, 03:35 AM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Dancing Lion - 11-18-2020, 03:46 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Some Guy - 11-20-2020, 11:23 AM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 11-20-2020, 11:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by FultonFan - 11-21-2020, 11:49 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 11-23-2020, 10:33 AM
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RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 12-09-2020, 10:33 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Pandora - 12-09-2020, 12:31 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 12-09-2020, 01:03 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by FultonFan - 12-09-2020, 06:53 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 11:22 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 11:58 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 12:59 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 03-25-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:16 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 05:05 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by J Michael - 03-25-2021, 08:28 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:49 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 01:57 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 02:17 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 03-25-2021, 02:33 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 03-25-2021, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 04:35 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 03-25-2021, 05:12 PM



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