Legal Cannabis and Morality
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Quote:Something else I'm wondering about reading this thread: there's been talk about "the culture" of marijuana: I think there are a gorillion sub-cultures in play here, and while someone raised on the North side, the ritzy side of a town, might have an idea of "that culture over there" where people might sometimes "use drugs" after work is a "culture" associated with losers, hippies, ex-hippies, children of unmarried ex-hippies, folks who don't have books in their homes, people who fight over the colors red and blue, etc. -- while someone raised on that other side of town might know lots of respectable people who go to church, raise their kids decently, go to the library, and may occasionally have a few tokes of grass they grew themselves after planting a few seeds between the rows of corn in their garden, thereby having nothing to do with "the drug culture" per se, or drug dealers, or Mexican cartels, and all the Hollywood stuff. 

I've never done drugs. About 70% of my extended family is on drugs. Not exclusively marijuana, and nothing people would think is "hard," some of them abuse pharmaceuticals. I didn't grow up in a ritzy, "North side" family. The culture "over there" was a pretty real experience for me. Growing up, pretty much all of the guys I hung out with were stoners. I've seen people who've used drugs (by drugs, I mean weed and pharmaceuticals) go on and lead pretty respectable lives. I've seen people who use drugs who can hold a steady job and get a house. In most regards, they are better persons than I am, and I am perfectly happy to concede that.

I've also seen people who get strung out, who abuse or neglect their children because of their habitual drug use and who become general burdens for their families. The last category is the majority. Most of the people I have known who "have a few tokes of grass" are not better people for it. I know it's anecdotal and I know it won't change minds, but I find it compelling.

Quote:Just something to keep in mind, which leads to a bigger point about the world of traditional Catholicism: I think that, too often, what is seen as the True, Good, and Beautiful can be too exclusively bound up in cultural specifics and personal aesthetics. The "1950ism,"  "neo-Victorianism," and "pseudo-Amish thing" we sometimes see in trad circles -- things that strike me as larping rooted in anomie -- can be really off-putting to a lot of people.

I don't want to sound like one of those larping trads "rooted in anomie." I get why people do that; been there, done that and it's ridiculous, but I understand it. And as far as I am concerned the Victorian era was only good for writing torturous romance novels. I know the 1950's only for doo wop music and Grease. And the Amish make really, really good fired ham and potatoes (perhaps imitating them would be a net good, no?) So, yes, I get that it is off-putting. I don't want people to act that way.

All that just to say that I don't really care about using cannabis for medicine. I think there are conceivable ways that it could be used licitly and everything would be perfectly fine, so let there be research into its benefits. Okay.

But it isn't medicinal reasons that people really care about. You're not getting massive campaigns for marijuana usage, CNN and Nat Geo documentaries, and dozens of politicians running on it's legalization because people care about the "medicinal" use, whatever they mean when they say that. Like I said above, it's just hallow out. Probably 4 out 5 people really just want to be able to get baked and it be "perfectly fine, I mean, after all it's legal now, bro."
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Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 01:52 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Some Guy - 09-17-2019, 06:25 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 10:49 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 12:14 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 01:22 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 01:44 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:37 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:58 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 01:27 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:09 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 02:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 02:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 03:00 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 02:30 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 02:38 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by VoxClamantis - 09-18-2019, 03:36 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:37 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:42 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:47 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 06:54 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 06:59 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 07:06 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-17-2019, 07:27 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Paul - 09-17-2019, 11:19 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 07:33 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 09-17-2019, 10:09 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Augustinian - 09-17-2019, 11:14 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 09-18-2019, 12:40 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Alphonse il Segundo - 09-18-2019, 10:14 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by VoxClamantis - 09-18-2019, 04:54 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 09-20-2019, 09:51 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-21-2019, 11:14 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 09-20-2019, 03:35 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by piscis - 09-26-2019, 10:14 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Florus - 09-26-2019, 06:55 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by BigSamoz - 11-03-2020, 12:48 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Ioannes_L - 11-03-2020, 02:16 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Dancing Lion - 11-18-2020, 03:46 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Some Guy - 11-20-2020, 11:23 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by LionHippo - 11-20-2020, 09:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 11-20-2020, 11:26 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by FultonFan - 11-21-2020, 11:49 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 11-23-2020, 10:33 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Harryman9090 - 12-08-2020, 03:33 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 12-09-2020, 10:33 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Pandora - 12-09-2020, 12:31 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 12-09-2020, 01:03 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by FultonFan - 12-09-2020, 06:53 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 11:22 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 11:58 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 12:59 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 03-25-2021, 11:59 AM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:16 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 01:19 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Marmot - 03-25-2021, 05:05 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by J Michael - 03-25-2021, 08:28 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 01:49 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by IudicaMe - 03-25-2021, 01:57 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 02:17 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Melkite - 03-25-2021, 02:33 PM
Legal Cannabis and Morality - by 1Faith - 03-25-2021, 02:21 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by AlanK82 - 03-25-2021, 04:35 PM
RE: Legal Cannabis and Morality - by Blind Horus - 03-25-2021, 05:12 PM



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