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When both in Church and State accepted the Earth is a planet going around the sun and not a special creation of God's placed in the centre of the universe to be served by the moon, sun, planets and stars to bring about day, seasons and years, the supernatural faith of Catholicism succumbed to naturalism, and heresies like aliens became the norm as witnessed by this thread.

In his recent book, Burned Alive, by Prof A. A. Martinez, about the heretic Bruno, Martinez tells us that for centuries, popes and Church Fathers condemned many Pythagorean heresies, ioncluding some that Bruno held. In 748Ad Pope Zachary declared heretical the belief that stars were suns with similar worlds like Earth and that on these arte other intelligent beings like mankind. Rejections of these antipodean heresies Martine found in other early medieval writings. In 1459 Pope Pius II again condemned the doctrine that God created other worlds like ours. Kepler, another heretic also believed in Aliens on other worlds.

In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’ St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’

‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem: “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]”’  --- A.A. Martinez.

When the heliocentrism was accepted by popes from 1820, making the Earth a planet and not a special place at the centre of God's creation, and that life evolved on this planet, then why couldn't life have evolved on other planets? Such reasoning had to ignore the long condemned heresies as the false ideas of early churchmen, like the world created by God was geocentric, obvious to all it had to be a special creation. This heresy makes the Genesis story - the creation of angels and mankind, both tested by God resulting in failures, his  original sin, a necessary Redeemer in Jesus, the ONLY begotten son of God, the third person of the Trinity, and the creation of Hell for those failures - not thev whole truth, nothing but the truth, but having to be reinterpreted to include intelligent aliens. Imaging Catholicsm, as depicted in some posts above, actuaslly entertaining that old heresy once again, questioning whether there was the same test given to aliens, did they pass it or fail, and if they did, did Christ have to save them too resulting in masny heavens, many Hells, or maybe man will share heaven or hell with aliens. such pervertions of the Catholic faith are the reasons why they were declared heretical. And within Catholicism, heresies do not go away, they remain heresies.
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They say a lot of those grays have been known to disappear at the mere mention of the name of Jesus. If it's true, that tells us a lot right there.
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(10-18-2019, 04:25 PM)cassini Wrote: When both in Church and State accepted the Earth is a planet going around the sun and not a special creation of God's placed in the centre of the universe to be served by the moon, sun, planets and stars to bring about day, seasons and years, the supernatural faith of Catholicism succumbed to naturalism, and heresies like aliens became the norm as witnessed by this thread.

In his recent book, Burned Alive, by Prof A. A. Martinez, about the heretic Bruno, Martinez tells us that for centuries, popes and Church Fathers condemned many Pythagorean heresies, ioncluding some that Bruno held. In 748Ad Pope Zachary declared heretical the belief that stars were suns with similar worlds like Earth and that on these arte other intelligent beings like mankind. Rejections of these antipodean heresies Martine found in other early medieval writings. In 1459 Pope Pius II again condemned the doctrine that God created other worlds like ours. Kepler, another heretic also believed in Aliens on other worlds.

In 402 St Jerome complained that one of the most heretical claims of all was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’ St. Augustine even composed a list of 88 such heresies; the 77th was that ‘worlds are innumerable.’

‘Other theologians too cited this heresy for centuries. They explained the problem: “we cannot assert that there exist two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many Christs [the only begotten son]”’  --- A.A. Martinez.

When the heliocentrism was accepted by popes from 1820, making the Earth a planet and not a special place at the centre of God's creation, and that life evolved on this planet, then why couldn't life have evolved on other planets? Such reasoning had to ignore the long condemned heresies as the false ideas of early churchmen, like the world created by God was geocentric, obvious to all it had to be a special creation. This heresy makes the Genesis story - the creation of angels and mankind, both tested by God resulting in failures, his  original sin, a necessary Redeemer in Jesus, the ONLY begotten son of God, the third person of the Trinity, and the creation of Hell for those failures - not thev whole truth, nothing but the truth, but having to be reinterpreted to include intelligent aliens. Imaging Catholicsm, as depicted in some posts above, actuaslly entertaining that old heresy once again, questioning whether there was the same test given to aliens, did they pass it or fail, and if they did, did Christ have to save them too resulting in masny heavens, many Hells, or maybe man will share heaven or hell with aliens. such pervertions of the Catholic faith are the reasons why they were declared heretical. And within Catholicism, heresies do not go away, they remain heresies.

I don't know that the popes after 1820 ever accepted that we're merely sitting on the third rock from the sun: nothing special... But if God wants to create life elsewhere, who am I to argue? Uranus and Neptune are said to have water under their surface. Wouldn't it be cool if one day they could stick a camera underneath to see what they see?
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"Life" is one thing, but "intelligent life" is a whole other thing.

Personally, I believe that the universe and especially our galaxy, is a very hazardous place. We are only now finding out about how chaotic things are at the core of our own galaxy and even this data is many thousands of years old by the time it gets to us out on the far limb. With what we know of the makeup of that area, there could well be some sort of galactic reset button, an event so staggeringly massive, that all forms of life, anywhere in the galaxy could be destroyed on a regular basis, by utterly unbelievably massive energy waves of cosmic rays and gravitational waves. If this is a common thing in the universe, life as we know it could be very rare indeed.

That being said, we could be a rarity on the earth, one that is designed too be cyclical on this plane of existence. It could be that only special creatures, those existing on a different wavelength, or frequency, for instance, could be the only ones to survive such a fatal blast from the galactic core. Perhaps only the spiritual beings, the angels, fallen and Godly, and the human spirits could survive. Perhaps God knows when the reset comes and that is why Jesus warned of a cataclysm that would befall earth and destroy everything on it. Perhaps it is indeed a cyclical event that He would use to remake the earth once more for we whom He has chosen.

The possibilities are fascinating to ponder.
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The hypothesis that there is even microbial life outside of the earth is a fantasy dreamed up by evolutionists who believe it's possible for life to form spontaneously from non-living materials.

As long as there's enough "time" all things are magically possible in the eyes of naturalists.
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(10-21-2019, 09:36 AM)Augustinian Wrote: The hypothesis that there is even microbial life outside of the earth is a fantasy dreamed up by evolutionists who believe it's possible for life to form spontaneously from non-living materials.

As long as there's enough "time" all things are magically possible in the eyes of naturalists.

With Naturalists; All things happen over time.

With Believers; All things happen with God.

Naturalists are a contradiction. Time is not natural, it is relative to the observer and a creation of man. The modes of measurement of time have varied for centuries.
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(09-29-2019, 02:52 PM)The Tax Collector Wrote: “The evidence is overwhelming that planet earth is being visited by intelligently controlled extraterrestrial spacecraft!” Stanton T. Friedman

My only question is whether the intelligence is natural or preternatural



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Why the US government and the military cannot and will not disclose the true nature of the UFO phenomenon

December 24, 2019 CIVILIAN INTELLIGENCE NEWS SERVICE

I am convinced that there are those in the elitist sector of the government and the military who espouse the belief  (the belief that I personally also espouse)  that the UFO phenomenon appears to be a temporary, paraphysical intrusion into our physical dimension by an unknown intelligence or unknown sentient extradimensional entities, paraphysically materializing themselves and presenting to the observers as a physical extraterrestrial phenomenon and visitation.

They seem to be convinced that these entities with their craft seem to be able to temporarily affect our physical parameters, such as their ability to appear on our radar systems.

These elitist officials also seem to be convinced that the phenomenon is able to materialize and de-materialize at will and is even capable of “transmogrifying” itself into any shape or form (as in the words of the late John A. Keel).

They also seem to be aware that the phenomenon does not seem to be able to survive in our physical dimension except for a few seconds or a few minutes at a time.

This is why, in my opinion, there has never been any intentional cover-up of the UFO phenomenon by the US government, even though the phenomenon seems to exist.

It is no wonder that the government itself  (including the military)  has always been perplexed by this enigmatic  (or better yet, deceptive) phenomenon, being unable to come up with any conclusions, mainly for the reason that this phenomenon in essence seems to be “paranormal”  (or better yet, paraphysical)  in nature

It is therefore quite understandable that the government is incapable and unwilling to deal with this phenomenon and rightfully refuses to explain things of this nature.

It will never prematurely make any official announcement that this phenomenon constitutes actual physical ET visitation.

The military, however, seems to have taken advantage of such assumptions  (made by some in the government and the military that UFOs are extraterrestrial)  and continues to develop various weapons systems as a cogent reason to emulate such technologies emanating from the reported phenomenon, taking advantage of its psychological implications.

The bottom line here is that even though the UFO phenomenon seems to exist, it has not proven itself to be absolute, tangible evidence that we have been visited by actual physical extraterrestrial biological entities in any actual physical spacecraft of any kind.  The term “UFOs” is misleading since we still do not know if they are really objects or if they are actually flying as we understand flying to be  (as through the use of a propulsion system),  as often mentioned by Dr.  Jacques Vallee.

There is no doubt that some in the top echelon of the government  (and the military)  believe that the UFO phenomenon may even be “demonic” in origin, a “diabolical” contraption perpetrated by deceptive paraphysical entities playing tricks with the human mind.  Quite a number of government and military officials who espouse this theory seem to exist especially among those with conservative, Evangelical persuasions.

On the other hand, there are others in the government and the military who do not hold this view.

Therein lie the division and the wide gap that exist within the government elitists.

This may be the reason why the government cannot and will not openly disclose the true nature of the UFO phenomenon.

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To believe in Aliens on similar worlds to Earth has long been declared as heresy. Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake because he refused to reject that heresy as well as others such as the world emerged from atoms.

'Other theologians cited this heresy of many worlds  (and aliens) for centuries. They explained the problem. "we cannot assert that there exists two or many worlds, since neither do we assert two or many christs [the only begotten son]."' -- A. A. Martinez, Burned Alive.

 Today however these heresies are the norm within the Catholic Church.
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