Validity question
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Presuming valid form and matter and minister, a generic intention to do what the Church does is sufficient to confect a Sacrament. That's the Catholic teaching and speculative side of this question.

The real problem comes in the practical application. 

Agere sequitur esse — One acts according to what they are. We could say that one's actions follow one's being and even one's belief. If someone is stating outside that they deny what the Church believes, it will be somewhat difficult for them to properly intend to do what the Church does. A Catholic priest, openly denying a key aspect of the Catholic Faith which can be easily known might form a correct intention, but also may not, and is more likely not to.

If one refuses to submit to the Church is belief, it is not very likely that he would submit to the Church in intention. 

If his intention was contrary to that of the Church, the Sacrament would not be performed. While we cannot know his exact intention, external words and actions would argue against his forming the correct intention. He might, and he might not, and there's the issue.

The theory is fine (we're not Donatists), but in practice I think there is sufficient reason to doubt the validty of his Masses.

Appealing to a Eucharistic Miracle also does not solve this problem. Our Lord certainly can cause himself to become physically present anywhere at anytime. He does so Sacramentally at the priests' words when the matter and intention is correct, but the purpose of the miracle was to restore the Faith in his Real Presence for that doubting priest. It was not to encourage people to doubt in order to obtain some favor of God, or answer a theological question.

In short, we cannot assert the certain validity of the OP's Mass, nor can we assert its invalidity, but the very fact that one can doubt is a serious problem.
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Validity question - by Birdie - 09-29-2019, 09:08 AM
RE: Validity question - by FultonFan - 09-29-2019, 10:45 AM
RE: Validity question - by josh987654321 - 09-29-2019, 11:04 AM
RE: Validity question - by The Tax Collector - 09-29-2019, 02:24 PM
RE: Validity question - by MagisterMusicae - 09-29-2019, 03:11 PM
RE: Validity question - by Birdie - 09-29-2019, 03:38 PM
RE: Validity question - by MagisterMusicae - 09-29-2019, 06:19 PM
RE: Validity question - by Birdie - 09-29-2019, 06:36 PM
RE: Validity question - by MagisterMusicae - 09-29-2019, 08:41 PM
RE: Validity question - by jovan66102 - 09-29-2019, 09:02 PM
RE: Validity question - by josh987654321 - 09-30-2019, 06:08 AM
RE: Validity question - by josh987654321 - 09-30-2019, 06:17 AM
RE: Validity question - by tonyjohnston1970 - 09-30-2019, 11:44 AM
RE: Validity question - by Birdie - 09-30-2019, 11:51 AM
RE: Validity question - by tonyjohnston1970 - 09-30-2019, 12:16 PM



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