Salvation through confusion?
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(10-03-2019, 07:44 PM)Paul Wrote:
(10-03-2019, 03:33 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: St Cyprian, as St Thomas mentions in article 11 argues from St Dismas that there are other means to be saved aside from Sacramental Baptism, but that only Our Lord can grant this, and so he promotes the notion of Baptism of Blood and of Desire, but he also, is very clear that these are not the Sacrament of Baptism, but substitutes in particular cases.

Wouldn't that apply to everyone who lived before Christ? Circumcision was the Old Covenant version of Baptism, but even that wasn't instituted until Abraham, and we believe Adam and Eve are in heaven. Females couldn't be circumcised, but we don't believe every woman who lived before Christ was damned, nor did the Jews see them as not Jewish, even though the unbaptised aren't Christian.

Before the Law of Baptism is sufficiently promulgated in the New Testament, there would have been other means like circumcision, but even this law was not universally imposed nor was it a Sacrament in the proper sense of giving grace ex opere operato. but ex fide significata. Thus, it was only beneficial insofar as there was a faith in the redeemer to come and a sorrow for sin. It was required only of those who were under the Jewish covenant and needed to follow the Mosaic law. Outside of this one could still save his soul, and as you suggest even females needed some other means and no means in the Old Testament were ex opere operato.
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Salvation through confusion? - by LionHippo - 10-01-2019, 10:46 PM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by Markie Boy - 10-02-2019, 06:23 AM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by Paul - 10-02-2019, 08:35 AM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by Paul - 10-03-2019, 02:27 PM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by Paul - 10-03-2019, 07:44 PM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by MagisterMusicae - 10-04-2019, 11:08 PM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by MaryTN - 10-02-2019, 02:21 PM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by 1Faith - 10-02-2019, 04:57 PM
RE: Salvation through confusion? - by Augustinian - 10-03-2019, 08:32 PM



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