Bishop Gracida condemns Bergoglio for Vatican Garden Rituals
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(10-09-2019, 10:43 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: Not to say that this is good but Pope John Paul II, you know the Saint, participated in pagan rituals more than a few times, not just witnessed them. If it's a sin against the First Commandment (and it is), then that Saint did so, and never repented of it ...

If this is grounds for suggesting those who hold Francis is not be Pope have a point, the only logical thing is to aslo deny that to John Paul II, along with his Canonization ...

Just saying ...

Hey that Quran JPII kissed was asking for it the way it was dressed.
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(10-09-2019, 10:43 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 11:22 AM)Augustinian Wrote: I'll admit, after this, I am kind of starting to see where the Benevacantists may be onto something.

Not to say that this is good but Pope John Paul II, you know the Saint, participated in pagan rituals more than a few times, not just witnessed them. If it's a sin against the First Commandment (and it is), then that Saint did so, and never repented of it ...

If this is grounds for suggesting those who hold Francis is not be Pope have a point, the only logical thing is to aslo deny that to John Paul II, along with his Canonization ...

Just saying ...

I guess I'm just at a loss at how open the Pope is being about his disregard for the Catholic faith or even commandments of the Lord.

I mean, how does one reason themselves out of the Pope's presence before obvious wooden fertility idols, tribal dances and rites, and the planting of a tree for "Mother Earth"?

It appears Our Lady did come through with the 54-day rosary novena, the veil has been lifted and we are seeing the hierarchy of the Church for what they are...
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(10-09-2019, 10:40 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: Bravo on the condemnation of the ritual, but it is important to sort through the Rhetoric. 

Popes cannot incur canonical penalties.

So Bishop Gracida is faced here with a dilemma. Either Francis is the Pope (something he denies) and thus he may do evil things, but cannot incur canonical penalties, so this statement sounds great but is meaningless, or Francis is not the Pope (something he accepts) due to his evil actions is no longer a member of the Church (because he is a heretic), so also is no longer subject to the same law, and cannot incur further canonical penalties.

It's either one or the other, but not both.

I like Bishop Gracida. He has shared my blog posts and I have shared his. However, I'm not aware that he has any specialist training in Canon Law beyond that of the normal Priest or Bishop.
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(10-09-2019, 08:24 PM)Florus Wrote: Does anyone really know what happened in the Vatican gardens? It all seems very vague to me.

https://www.fisheaters.com/forums/showth...?tid=85338

They invited Pagans to Rome and then sat around in the Vatican gardens as the pagans worshiped idols, then planted a tree, there's also more footage with a girl dancing in the aisle of a Church with the Pagan idol (canoe and pregnant figure) up front before the altar.

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(10-09-2019, 10:43 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: Not to say that this is good but Pope John Paul II, you know the Saint, participated in pagan rituals more than a few times, not just witnessed them. If it's a sin against the First Commandment (and it is), then that Saint did so, and never repented of it ...

LOL oh really? please share this information with us, I assume you have a reliable source and pictures?

It's also one thing to be invited to an event which may have Pagans and Idols at it, it's quite another to invite Pagans and their Idols to the Vatican. It's one thing if I visit a persons home with Idols in it, it's quite another if I welcome these Idols as a gift into my own home.

(10-09-2019, 10:43 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: If this is grounds for suggesting those who hold Francis is not be Pope have a point, the only logical thing is to also deny that to John Paul II, along with his Canonization ...

Just saying ...

Not at all, for the above, and the fact that you criticized me for quoting prophecy you believe to be spurious, yet you haven't provided a shred of evidence yet for this claim against St Pope John Paul II.

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(10-09-2019, 10:54 PM)Imperator Caesar Trump Wrote: Hey that Quran JPII kissed was asking for it the way it was dressed.

He erred, as Popes have done. I used to think Francis erred and to pray for him, then he erred again, and again..... and again (too many times to count)... then I could see these were not mistakes but an agenda.

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(10-09-2019, 08:13 PM)Augustinian Wrote: If anyone wants to see some real confusion, browse the thread on this on CAF and see all of the libs scramble to try and defend what it clearly a heretical act: https://forums.catholic.com/t/amazon-syn.../569821/40

They got 'gracepoole' off side? :O ... mate I'm shocked lol (Should pray for her, maybe she's coming around, still trashing Trump though which is crazy and I don't know whether she is still supporting gay marriage).

I wonder how many faithful Catholics will get banned or suspended by speaking out on that thread? I've still got 999 years left on my suspension. :D

Pretty sad that 'adgloriam' defending it has the most likes currently, I couldn't find your post yet Augustinian? Still riding out a suspension? Should let em' have it, what's the worst they can do? suspend you for 1,000 years? badge of honor mate. :D

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(10-10-2019, 07:08 AM)josh987654321 Wrote:
Augustinian Wrote:.
Still riding out a suspension?

lol yup, just checked then. Proud of ya mate. :)

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(10-10-2019, 07:08 AM)josh987654321 Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 08:13 PM)Augustinian Wrote: If anyone wants to see some real confusion, browse the thread on this on CAF and see all of the libs scramble to try and defend what it clearly a heretical act: https://forums.catholic.com/t/amazon-syn.../569821/40

They got 'gracepoole' off side? :O ... mate I'm shocked lol (Should pray for her, maybe she's coming around, still trashing Trump though which is crazy and I don't know whether she is still supporting gay marriage).

I wonder how many faithful Catholics will get banned or suspended by speaking out on that thread? I've still got 999 years left on my suspension. :D

Pretty sad that 'adgloriam' defending it has the most likes currently, I couldn't find your post yet Augustinian? Still riding out a suspension? Should let em' have it, what's the worst they can do? suspend you for 1,000 years? badge of honor mate. :D

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(10-10-2019, 06:10 AM)josh987654321 Wrote:
(10-09-2019, 10:43 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote: Not to say that this is good but Pope John Paul II, you know the Saint, participated in pagan rituals more than a few times, not just witnessed them. If it's a sin against the First Commandment (and it is), then that Saint did so, and never repented of it ...

LOL oh really? please share this information with us, I assume you have a reliable source and pictures?

It's called Assisi. Google it.

That said, we have no idea what John Paul II confessed. His participation at Assisi would have stopped his cause before, but saints don't have to be as perfect as they used to be.
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