Poll: Do you know of any trads that use welfare? Do you use welfare?
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Yes, I know trads that use welfare and I use it too.
14.29%
1 14.29%
Yes, I know trads that use welfare but I don't use it.
14.29%
1 14.29%
No, I don't know trads that use welfare but I use it.
14.29%
1 14.29%
No, I don't know trads that use it and I don't use it either.
57.14%
4 57.14%
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prevalence of trad families using welfare
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I know of a trad woman that doesn't want to leave her rural area. I pointed out that a man might need to work in another area if he is to be able to provide for a large family. She responded that's what welfare is for. I pointed out the negatives of welfare but she replied that when a trad family does it, it's a gift from God. I found it a little off-putting since I was raised to avoid welfare.

How common is welfare usage among traditional Catholics?
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(10-11-2019, 06:37 PM)Bombero Wrote: I know of a trad woman that doesn't want to leave her rural area. I pointed out that a man might need to work in another area if he is to be able to provide for a large family. She responded that's what welfare is for. I pointed out the negatives of welfare but she replied that when a trad family does it, it's a gift from God. I found it a little off-putting since I was raised to avoid welfare.

How common is welfare usage among traditional Catholics?

I don't know that there are any stats about trad Catholics. Not that I'm aware of, at least. My experience with them is that they are middle to upper middle class, generally. 

A lot of times people come here stating that they heard a trad say some crazy stuff. I wouldn't let people with obvious personality disorders influence anything about your thoughts on groups of people generally speaking.
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(10-11-2019, 06:48 PM)Imperator Caesar Trump Wrote: I wouldn't let people with obvious personality disorders influence anything about your thoughts on groups of people generally speaking.

What makes you think this woman has a personality disorder? I'm not a doctor, so give it to me in layman's terms.
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There are lazy, self-centered, self-absorbed, entitled people everywhere.  Nothing "trad" about it.
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(10-11-2019, 08:34 PM)MaryTN Wrote: There are lazy, self-centered, self-absorbed, entitled people everywhere.  Nothing "trad" about it.

I don't think she is any of those things. She thinks that welfare is from God and a way for traditional Catholics to have the large families they are supposed to.
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Yeah quite frankly I dont see how it's possible for working class people like myself to ever have a large family without relying to some degree on welfare. That's not our problem, most of us work hard and quite a lot. The problem is modern post-industrial American capitalism is not ordered toward the good of families.

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(10-12-2019, 02:48 AM)1Faith Wrote: Yeah quite frankly I dont see how it's possible for working class people like myself to ever have a large family without relying to some degree on welfare. That's not our problem, most of us work hard and quite a lot. The problem is modern post-industrial American capitalism is not ordered toward the good of families.

That's exactly what she said. I don't disagree but it came as a shock to me.
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(10-12-2019, 02:48 AM)1Faith Wrote: The problem is modern post-industrial American capitalism is not ordered toward the good of families.

Why pay a man enough to support a family when you can pay that to a man and a woman and get twice the labour?
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First of all, I have many Trad friends who are working class or who work menial, white collar clerical jobs. For instance, I have a friend, with a large family, who works for the welfare system in Kansas. He's also a recipient of SNAP (food stamps) Why?

Well the state civil service doesn't pay a just wage, as defined by the Papal Magisterium. So, in order to live half way decently, he had three choices 1) practice artificial birth control to limit family size to an affordable level, 2) put his wife in the wage labour market, or 3) accept welfare

The first was obviously out of the question. He's a Traditional Catholic.

The second is equally odious for the same reason, but even if he took that route, after the third or fourth child, unless she's a doctor, lawyer, or other highly paid professional, she wouldn't earn enough to cover the cost of day care.

So, he took the third option, and I applaud him for it.

In the end, yes, in some cases, welfare is indeed God's gift to the Trad family.
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Quote:Genesis 3: 17 And to Adam he said: Because thou hast hearkened to the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldst not eat, cursed is the earth in thy work; with labour and toil shalt thou eat thereof all the days of thy life.

I hate welfare. It's Socialist; godless Communism light. Welfare is one of the worst things to come along in the past hundred years. It's encouraged divorce and the breakdown of the family and churches whose place it once was to care for those in need. This government is trillions of dollars in debt. We don't have the money. My husband has worked very hard all his life to put food on the table and his paycheck gets literally pilfered by the government twice a month. 

Our moms have needed assistance, so we take care of them. My sis has my mom in her home and I have hubs mom here with us in our house. Plus we take care of one bro that's got a serious mental disorder and another bro who fell on hard times and is getting back on his feet. I'm not asking for a medal, just saying that's what families and the churches are supposed to do. Get government involved in the mix and that's why we have the problems we do today.
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