Hypothetically, would ordination of women mean the gates of hell had prevailed?
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(10-13-2019, 02:28 PM)1Faith Wrote: The Church as no authority to convey the sacrament of Holy Orders on women. An attempt to do so would be invalid and constitute simulating a sacrament.

Correct.

(10-13-2019, 02:28 PM)1Faith Wrote: Any Pope who approved women's ordination would commit formal heresy and sacrilege and would cut himself off from the Church and cease to be Pope.

He would profess the matter of heresy if he positively taught and ordered this in contravention of the magisterium which has definitively settled the matter. The toleration of it would not constitute this. Nor would a mistake. To be a formal heretic, there needs to be not only error, but also knowledge that this is against what the Faith and pertinacity in this error established. The stubbornness is the form of the heresy.

A lot of the SV crowd get this wrong, and they think that "manifest formal heresy" means that some heresy has been manifested, or expressed. The crime of heresy for which even a Pope might lose his membership in the Church, thus his office, requires pertinacity. This is what is meant by "manifest" heresy.

Theologians are not settled on how a Pope could cease to be Pope by heresy, but clearly it cannot just be teaching or promoting something heretical, and even if we recognize it as clearly heretical, we don't get to declare a Pope deposed for this. Some authority has to intervene, even if it is only an imperfect authority.

Francis, however, does not work like this. He does not like definitions or clarity. He likes confusion and ambiguity and so when he wants to make changes stirs the pot and while everyone is going crazy over something he does not intend to implement, he pushes the line elsewhere, slowly advancing the changes he wants.

I stand to be corrected, but I think the whole women's ordination question is just a smokescreen to make non-celibate Latin clergy seem a tolerable outcome of the Synod. Either this or the purpose is to push some other non-Sacramental women's ministry to create a confusion between the Deacon and these women, and in doing this to eventually push for women deacons later.
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RE: Hypothetically, would ordination of women mean the gates of hell had prevailed? - by MagisterMusicae - 10-13-2019, 09:41 PM



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