Do we have to listen to the Pope?
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(01-08-2020, 03:05 AM)Missbeliever Wrote: Then why is he the leader? Is his only position to make ex cathedra statements?
On the practical side, I don't understand why there is a pope at all if only his ex cathedra statements have to be listened to. What is  his role then, what is he supposed to do?

He's supposed to be what St Pius X said - Father, Pastor, Universal Teacher. The job of the Pope is not to invent new doctrines, but to faithfully pass on what has been handed down from the Apostles.

Because he's the representative of Christ on Earth, he's to be listened to, and his statements should be considered even when they're not ex cathedra. But just like your biological father is supposed to teach and guide you, sometimes he's not very good at it, and sometimes he's downright abusive. And when there's a bad Pope, and his statements contradict the constant teaching of the Church, they have to be ignored, just like one can't stay around an abusive father.

Jesus gave the Pope the power to bind and loose. Whatever is bound on earth is bound in heaven, and whatever is loosed on earth is loosed in heaven. Except Pope Francis doesn't do much binding, especially when it comes to anything doctrinal. St Paul VI wanted to explain to the Church why artificial birth control was a sin, so he wrote an entire encyclical on it. And Humanae vitae explains why. But Pope Francis just sticks things into the Catechism, which is a summary of Church teaching, whose contents are only as authoritative as their sources.

"Today, however, there is an increasing awareness that the dignity of the person is not lost even after the commission of very serious crimes. In addition, a new understanding has emerged of the significance of penal sanctions imposed by the state. Lastly, more effective systems of detention have been developed, which ensure the due protection of citizens but, at the same time, do not definitively deprive the guilty of the possibility of redemption.

Consequently, the Church teaches, in the light of the Gospel, that 'the death penalty is inadmissible because it is an attack on the inviolability and dignity of the person',[1] and she works with determination for its abolition worldwide."

What's the source for this? Well, the footnote tells you: FRANCIS, Address to Participants in the Meeting organized by the Pontifical Council for the Promotion of the New Evangelization, 11 October 2017: L’Osservatore Romano, 13 October 2017, 5.

The Pope citing himself is hardly something that's been believed always, everywhere, by everyone. And he's not an expert on systems of incarceration, and doesn't explain what these "new understandings" are, or whether these "more effective systems of detention" exist in somewhere like, say, Nigeria, where Islamic militants routinely behead Christians. If the government of Nigeria were able to capture and imprison them, are their prisons good enough to prevent an escape, or a rescue by other members of Boko Haram, which would likely involve the murder of at least the prison guards?

Since the Pope said it, we're to consider it, and accept it if it fits with what the Church has always taught, or if he defines it as something to be definitively held by the faithful. Pope Francis does none of that, which is probably a pretty good sign from God that papal infallibility really is a thing, and He's making it work exactly as intended by preventing Francis from binding the Church to falsehood.
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RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Zedta - 01-06-2020, 07:39 PM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by jack89 - 01-07-2020, 10:20 PM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Paul - 01-07-2020, 10:43 PM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by jack89 - 01-07-2020, 11:39 PM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Paul - 01-08-2020, 12:33 AM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Paul - 01-08-2020, 02:11 AM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Paul - 01-08-2020, 03:25 AM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Paul - 01-09-2020, 12:39 AM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by Paul - 01-10-2020, 02:07 PM
RE: Do we have to listen to the Pope? - by jack89 - 01-13-2020, 01:10 PM



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