Sci Fi and Pedophilia
A tweet earlier today led to to track down this HuffPo article, now taken down, at

Pedophilia and Star Trek
By Ellen Ladowsky

The LA Times recently ran a story about the Child Exploitation Section of the Toronto Sex Crimes Unit, which contained a mind-boggling statistic: of the more than 100 offenders the unit has arrested over the last four years, “all but one” has been “a hard-core Trekkie.” Blogger Ernest Miller thought this claim was improbable. “I could go to a science fiction convention,” he explained “and be less likely to find that 99+ percent of the attendees were hard-core Trekkies.” While there may be quibbling about the exact numbers, the Toronto detectives claim that the connection is undeniable.

In fact, Star Trek paraphernalia has so routinely been found at the homes of the pedophiles they’ve arrested that it has become a gruesome joke in the squad room. (On the wall, there is a Star Trek poster with the detectives’ faces replacing those of the crew members). This does not mean that watching Star Trek makes you a pedophile. It does mean that if you’re a pedophile, odds are you’ve watched a lot of Star Trek.

This is not the first time Star Trek has been linked to bizarre sexual practices. Those involved in the Heaven’s Gate mass suicides in Rancho Sante Fe in March 1997 also purported themselves to be avid Star Trek fans. One may recall that the cult forced its members to wear unisex clothing, had a strict policy of celibacy, a ban on all sexual thoughts, and eight of the members had surgically castrated themselves.

So why would sexual deviants be attracted to Star Trek? The link between Star Trek and pedophilia is obscure, even to the detectives in the sex crimes unit: “It has something to do with a fantasy world where mutants and monsters have power and where the usual rules don’t apply,” Det. Constable Warren Bulmer told the LAT. “But beyond that I can’t really explain it.” Explain it or not, one thing is clear: the detectives identify the pedophiles with the mutants and monsters and themselves with the crew of the Enterprise. But, in fact, the detectives probably have more in common with the pedophiles than they think, because the pedophiles, too, are almost certainly identifying with the crew of the Enterprise, and not with the mutants and monsters.

After reviewing a bunch of episodes from the original Star Trek series, what became apparent is that sexuality on the Enterprise is pretty peculiar. At first blush, the crew might seem kind of sexy — big-breasted, scantily clad female crew members, men in skin-tight uniforms, and Captain Kirk ripping off his shirt at the slightest hint of heat — but the features of their sexuality are exaggerated in the manner of a comic book, creating a hygienic distance from anything to do with real sexuality.

Despite the cartoonish trappings of sexiness, there are, in fact, no sexual or romantic relationships aboard the Enterprise. The male crew members demurely ignore the sexually enticing (if antiseptic) female crew members. There seems to be a tacit agreement that any sexual relationships would destroy the unity of the crew. In one episode, Mirror Mirror, the crew members are confronted by their evil, mirror counterparts in a parallel universe and discover that the parallel Starship is a hotbed of sexual activity, with no moral code.

And when it comes to relationships off the ship, Captain Kirk displays a truly astonishing emotional poverty. He goes from planet to planet, having trysts with an assortment of nubile women, but never forms any real attachments. By the next episode, the last female partner is forgotten. (Although we don’t know all that much about pedophilic sexual offenders, one thing we do know is that they have trouble forming authentic adult romantic relationships.)

Despite this apparent promiscuity, Kirk’s sexuality is anything but clear. His relationships are certainly never based on his own wants or desires. If he seduces a woman, it’s usually in order to escape danger on behalf of his crew, or else he’s overtaken by some alien power that makes him behave like a sex fiend. (e.g., a woman’s tears contain a love potion that causes Kirk to become amorous).

There’s a pervasive message that women are toxic. In an episode called Cat’s Paw, there is an evil sorceress who separates the crew from each other and from the starship. The perpetually indignant Dr. McCoy cautions Kirk, “Don’t let her touch your wand Jim, or you’ll lose all your power! On the very rare occasions where Kirk seems to find love, his partners quickly die off. After one of his loves has croaked, Kirk admonishes Spock “Love, you’re better off without it.”

The one longstanding attachment Kirk has is to Mr. Spock. In fact, their bond is so intense that there’s an abundance of gay porn written about the two. (Oddly enough, it’s frequently written by heterosexual women.)

Spock, of course, doesn’t have the emotional apparatus for a romantic or emotional relationship. It’s easy to imagine how the garden variety pedophile might identify with the half-human, half-Vulcan character who is bereft of human feeling, essentially neither male nor female, and living in a society where those around him seem to have a different set of rules. (It turns out that autistics also strongly identify with Spock, but that’s another story).

For both Kirk and Spock, their true shared love object is the luminous Starship Enterprise, and it essentially serves the purpose of a fetish object – a non-human, inanimate detour for evading anxieties belonging to genuine intimacy. In an episode called I, Mudd , when one of Harry Mudd’s androids asks Kirk what it is he desires: he replies, “The Enterprise.” “But the Enterprise is not a want or desire” says the android. “It’s a mechanical device.” “It’s a beautiful lady,” Kirk interjects sharply “and we love her.”

So if the pedophiles are identifying with the crew members, who do the monsters represent? Possibly aspects of the pedophile’s mind that are split off because they are unthinkable, and projected into someone else. On the Enterprise, aggressive impulses aren’t battling it out with libidinal ones as they are here on earth. In the Star Trek universe, every “bad” impulse is attributed to an external force. When it comes to sex, for example, it’s always an outside influence that takes possession of the crew’s minds and bodies, causing them to behave in erotically driven ways. Child molesters have a similar mechanism at work. They deny having any sexual impulses themselves; they frequently claim that it was the children who seduced them.

There is another aspect of Star Trek that likely makes it irresistible to perverts. It is utopian, in the sense that all the differences and distinctions which create tensions here on earth have been eradicated. Despite their exaggerated sexual characteristics, for example, the crew members are citizens of a utopian interracial and interplanetary world where the usual conflicts associated with gender do not apply.

In perversion, there is an attempt to obliterate any distinctions that provoke unconscious anxiety. First and foremost, this entails a denial of the difference between the sexes and the difference between the generations. Pedophiles are, at the very least, attempting to deny the difference between the generations. The utopian fantasy here is to normalize sex between adults and children.

According to Dr. Peter Mezan, a psychoanalyst in New York City, “There is an impulse that is common to perversion and to utopian thinking. The wish is to create a world in which differences make no difference. The great utopian thinkers have been immensely inspiring, but there is a reason that utopian communities have never worked out. In the name of equality of every sort and in the attempt to eliminate the tensions that normally divide us, they propose to create a marvelously unnatural world without the usual boundaries. But then it gets all fucked up.”

Think of Michael Jackson. He has attempted to eradicate just about every sexual, generational, and racial difference – and to construct an alternate utopian reality in Neverland. While there is certainly a futuristic quality to his clothing and mask-like facial features, it is unclear whether he watches Star Trek or just looks as if he does.

Seems there's a lot of perviness in the sci-fi sub-culture. A few links, some self-explanatory by their URLs:

Marion Zimmer Bradley sexually abused her daughter, Moira Greyland. Interview with Moira here:

Robert Heinlein:

Arthur C. Clarke:

Isaac Asimov's son busted with tons of child porn. "Sonoma County Deputy District Attorney Gary Medvigy said: 'There were thousands of disks, thousands of videos. Anything imaginable regarding sex between human beings and human beings, or human beings and animals, was there. Whatever your imagination can conjure up, he had it.'”:

Ursula K. Le Guin:

What the heck?
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I feel like there's a 'to boldly go' joke to be made here somewhere...

I think the true correlation we are seeing here has much to do with the infantilizing aspect of these sorts of fandoms; where these men never grow out of the fantasy worlds they loved as kids. To see that pedophiles are attracted to these sorts of fandoms comes as no surprise, unfortunately.
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Little Joe has lots of girls, too.  (Bonanza)  Heck, even Pa got the girl from time to time.
Lots of shows back then had weekly romances, Star Trek's seemed, at the time, a bit odd, a bit too "science-fiction-y" for me.  Loved the show, thought the robot women stuff was weird.
I assume it was written in the back rooms of 1960's Hollywood with drugs and alcohol and Free Sex flowing 24/7.  I also assume that the adults watching the show at the time knew this.
A slight aside.  This seems to be similar to the people who went crazy when Star Wars first came out.  I was in college and knew a girl who worked on campus - she had drawn a Star Wars "artwork" (don't know what else to call it) in her workplace on a huge old chalkboard (probably 4 x 6).  Really elaborate, sort of unhinged, sort of religious fervor.  It stayed up for over a year, everyone wanted to encourage her artistic efforts.
(01-14-2020, 04:05 PM)VoxClamantis Wrote:

Seems there's a lot of perviness in the sci-fi sub-culture. A few links, some self-explanatory by their URLs:

Marion Zimmer Bradley sexually abused her daughter, Moira Greyland. Interview with Moira here:

Robert Heinlein:

Arthur C. Clarke:

Isaac Asimov's son busted with tons of child porn. "Sonoma County Deputy District Attorney Gary Medvigy said: 'There were thousands of disks, thousands of videos. Anything imaginable regarding sex between human beings and human beings, or human beings and animals, was there. Whatever your imagination can conjure up, he had it.'”:

Ursula K. Le Guin:

What the heck?

You tacked Ursula Le Guin on that list?

Ursula had two anthropologist parents and along with being a tough little tomboy (and mother of 5) she probably wrote Left Hand Of Darkness out of annoyance with the Playboy Bunny/Bond Girl culture of 1969.

[QUOTE] The book explores the benefits of a society that does not have passions and irrationalities of the sex drive or culturally determined divisions of gender, but as per The Dispossessed – where Le Guin rigorously investigates the negatives as well as the positives of an anarchist society – the book does not shy away from describing how sexlessness can be exploited. In Left Hand of Darkness the ‘fertility’ cycle of the Gethenians – they come on heat, or kemmer a couple of days per month – can be ruthlessly manipulated by the powerful. Once kemmer is taken away through drugs, the Gethenians devolve into ‘bovine docility’.

The hermaphrodite society is one without war, but also one without spark or passion. It is a society of intrigues and double dealing and honour lost and gained. Of religions that look for unproof, rather than faith; and cults that reject easy answers (or any answers) and through this rejection find wisdom.

It is a fully-realised alien world, but also one beset by something universal to the human experience. As Genly notes during a meeting with someone in power:  “He was a hard shrewd jovial politician, whose acts of kindness served his interest and whose interest was himself. His type is panhuman. I had met him on earth, and on Hain, and on Ollul. I expect to meet him in hell.” [END QUOTE] here 

She does not belong on that list.
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Interesting correlation, would never have thought of it. I never liked the original Star Trek - it always did come across as creepy and overly campy - but I wouldn't have suspected this. The point of about utopia I think was pretty spot on though.
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Being a SciFi reader since my youth and one who still reads some of this stuff (currently reading through some of P.K. Dick's books), I am not very surprised to see this thread and what is being discussed hereabouts. Vox is dead on, when it come to perverseness in SciFi (SyFy since the advent of the SyFy Channel), but like all literature, there are many facets and directions the genre can and does take.

One can read the old masters, like Wells or Bradbury or Asimov and Huxley, for example. These guys and a load of others paved to way for the later writers, like Scott, Dick, Varley, Crichton, Clarke, Herbert, al. These latter writers, and I just scratch the surface of them all, were more into the societal and moral changes of the future than the technological and they started, I think, the trend into the bazaar worlds of twisted morality and social structures we see evident in current scifi movies. P.K.Dick's works have been put into movie and series form in earnest in recent times.

I think it was Heinlein who popularized and kinda began the more technical form of SciFi, mixed with otherworldly societal norms with his "Stranger in a Strange Land". He and Asimov, with his 'I Robot' series, then later on came the Hubbard books that led to Scientology and of course, Roddenberry and "Star Trek". Of course it was Foster's book, "The Adventures of Luke Skywalker" that really got things going when Lucas got hold of his book.

Fact is, there has been a whole lot of mucking about of the moral norms into the moral relativity to what we have of today. These machinations have made for some very odd and twisted ideas from what most traditionalists of morality would call 'desired' behaviors. I am sure that Lovecraft and King, albeit not so SciFi authors, and of note, Vonnegut"s  "Slaughterhouse 5", a bending of horror with SciFi, had a lot to do with much of the bending of normalcy of societal morality we see in the scifi world, but perhaps this outcome was coming anyway. The horror film genre certainly has its share of oddities and morality bending, indeed. That these authors would have morphed societies into the realms of Pedophilia and the scores of horrid facets of such a subject, would seem to be inevitable once that turn is made.

It is a sad thing to contemplate this direction of the literature and media, but we certainly have it now, don't we?
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