Looks like West Virginia may be getting bigger by annexation of parts of Virginia
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Looks like West Virginia may be getting bigger. They have, apparently, passed legislation in their state legislature, to 'annex' counties and areas in Virginia.







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To make it happen, the Virginia legislature has to concur. Unless a majority of counties are seceding and voting their legislators in favor, this is not going to happen.

You know the Totalitarians won't let those counties go.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Ame...y#Virginia

91 out of 95 counties, 13 out of 38 independent cities, and 24 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions

If the pro-2A side pushes this, there won't be a state of Virginia anymore. We will wind up having West Virginia assimilating Virginia and return to Revolutionary War statehood.
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BobCatholic Wrote:91 out of 95 counties, 13 out of 38 independent cities, and 24 towns have adopted Second Amendment sanctuary resolutions

If the pro-2A side pushes this, there won't be a state of Virginia anymore.  We will wind up having West Virginia assimilating Virginia and return to Revolutionary War statehood.


Well, Idono, but what happened in June of 1863 that made the people of what is now West Virginia, break away from Virginia, may happen again in Virginia. What is the most, physically, of Virginia are looking like they are at odds with what amounts to a small strip of Virginia along the east coast. That would make a much bigger West Virginia and a tiny, near Rhode Island sized Virginia, left. It would be most appropriate a split, since much of what would be left would deserve to be next to DC, since most of the folks living there would be working in DC anyway.

Interesting.
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(01-17-2020, 11:55 PM)BobCatholic Wrote: To make it happen, the Virginia legislature has to concur.  Unless a majority of counties are seceding and voting their legislators in favor, this is not going to happen.

You know the Totalitarians won't let those counties go.

And the problem is that given the population density in the DC area, the likelihood of a majority of the counties having a majority of the legislators is nil.
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(01-20-2020, 06:37 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(01-17-2020, 11:55 PM)BobCatholic Wrote: To make it happen, the Virginia legislature has to concur.  Unless a majority of counties are seceding and voting their legislators in favor, this is not going to happen.

You know the Totalitarians won't let those counties go.

And the problem is that given the population density in the DC area, the likelihood of a majority of the counties having a majority of the legislators is nil.

Wikipedia Wrote:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Virginia

The United States considered this area to be the western part of the state of Virginia (which was commonly referred as Trans-Allegheny Virginia) from 1776 to 1863, before the formation of West Virginia. Its residents were discontented for years with their position in Virginia, as the government was dominated by the planter elite of the Tidewater and Piedmont areas. The legislature had electoral malapportionment, based on the counting of slaves toward regional populations, and the western white residents were underrepresented in the state legislature. More subsistence and yeoman farmers lived in the west and they were generally less supportive of slavery, although many counties were divided on their support. The residents of this area became more sharply divided after the planter elite of eastern Virginia voted to secede from the Union during the Civil War.

Residents of the western and northern counties set up a separate government under Francis Pierpont in 1861, which they called the Restored Government. Most voted to separate from Virginia, and the new state was admitted to the Union in 1863. In 1864 a state constitutional convention drafted a constitution, which was ratified by the legislature without putting it to popular vote. West Virginia abolished slavery by a gradual process and temporarily disenfranchised men who had held Confederate office or fought for the Confederacy.

It appears that the west/north of old Virginia was at a minority when they split with the east and formed West Virginia. As I posited, history could repeat itself again.
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(01-20-2020, 07:22 PM)Zedta Wrote: It appears that the west/north of old Virginia was at a minority when they split with the east and formed West Virginia. As I posited, history could repeat itself again.

And that was during the War Between the States. If war were to break out again, I could see it happening. As long as it remains reasonably peaceful, it ain't gonna happen.
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(01-20-2020, 07:48 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: And that was during the War Between the States. If war were to break out again, I could see it happening. As long as it remains reasonably peaceful, it ain't gonna happen.
Perhaps, but its an argument that appears as valid and decisive a thing as slavery and denial of the rural farmers from a voice in their state's governance, could be going on here. This is the minority in a state where it appears second amendment rights are being abridged. It is a priory in equivalence to rights to not be a slave.

It is about a 'human' right to be free of government constraint of constitutional rights.

I see it as rather in common with what, in essence, was what the folks in West Virginia had issue with the majority in the east of Virginia in 1863.
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Just saw this article on the 'movement' over this morning's coffee. [Image: drinking-coffee.gif]

I highlighted some key sentences within the article that look like there is precedence just awaiting fulfillment.

Looks like this story is getting legs:


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Article Wrote:Link to Original Article

Civil War II: Gun control could push Virginia counties to join West Virginia
by Paul Bedard  | January 21, 2020 01:33 PM


West Virginia lawmakers are scrambling to let rural Virginia counties join the Mountain State amid conservative voter anger with the new Democratic majority in Richmond and its push for gun control and other liberal initiatives.

In a building fight that echoes the Civil War-era split of the Old Dominion that created West Virginia in 1863, 40 of 100 West Virginia House delegates have signed on to legislation that would accept revolting Virginia counties and towns.

The effort began after the November elections when urban and suburban voters put the Virginia General Assembly into Democratic hands. Many of those Democrats ran on a platform of restricting and banning guns.

“We’re starting to get some phone calls from friends on the border who say these folks want to leave,” said West Virginia Del. Gary Howell.
Howell, a Republican, told Secrets that what started off as a long-shot effort “has turned into a real thing.”

He said that Virginia lawmakers and officials along the West Virginia border have cited the Democratic drive for gun control and desire to shift spending to the urban areas near Washington as reasons to leave for West Virginia.

In his bill, HCR 8, Howell and his team wrote about the urban-rural battle: “These tensions have been compounded by a perception of contempt on the part of the government at Richmond for the differences in certain fundamental political and societal principles which prevail between the varied counties and cities of that Commonwealth.”

He also cited gun control, a huge fight on display in Richmond Monday when some 22,000 gun owners protested restrictions sweeping through the state Senate. There is no new push for gun control in West Virginia.

“In the latest, and most evident, in this string of grievances, the government at Richmond now seeks to place intolerable restraints upon the rights guaranteed under the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution to the citizens of that Commonwealth,” said the Howell legislation, now before the rules committee. Howell is on the rules committee and is also the chairman of the Government Organization Committee.

The bottom line in the legislation: “In a spirit of conciliation, the legislature of West Virginia hereby extends an invitation to our fellow Virginians who wish to do so, to join us in our noble experiment of 156 years of separation from the government at Richmond; and, we extend an invitation to any constituent county or city of the Commonwealth of Virginia to be admitted to the body politic of the state of West Virginia.”

One county that could lead the way with or without the legislation is Frederick, some 70 miles from Washington. It still has an open invitation from the 1800s to join West Virginia, and some members of the county board of supervisors have expressed support for a vote to leave.

In the West Virginia Senate, Sen. Charles Trump has offered a resolution urging Frederick County to join West Virginia.

Closer to Washington, Loudoun County was recently home to a short-lived effort to split, with some in the more rural and conservative western half, which borders West Virginia, bidding to create their own county called Catoctin for the mountains that provide a border.

Howell said that he has a team working on how any merger would work. He said that since West Virginia operates much like Virginia, it would be easy to merge police and infrastructure.
He also said that border shifts do not need federal approval.

“We’ve been looking way down the road. Once we realized that this was getting very real, we figured that we have to have answers for this, we have to have a plan in place. That’s what we’ve been discussing,” he told Secrets.
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Looks like West Virginia just keeps on inviting comers:


Article Wrote:washingtonexaminer.com

'Join us,' West Virginia governor urges pro-gun, pro-Trump Virginia counties
by Paul Bedard  | January 28, 2020 02:24 PM


The governor of West Virginia, in a stunning move that echoes the Civil War-era creation of his state, on Tuesday invited Virginia counties upset with Richmond’s liberal, anti-gun turn to shift borders and join his state.

“If you out there, no matter where you be, Virginia or wherever you may be, as an individual or a business or whatever, West Virginia is waiting for you with open arms," said Gov. Jim Justice.

“Our state supports personal freedom, and we value the Second Amendment and the rights of the unborn. Come join us. You will never regret it,” he added at a press conference in Martinsburg, West Virginia, 13 miles from the border with a Virginia county where some officials are open to joining West Virginia.

He also said that West Virginia embraces President Trump, who is despised by many federal workers in Northern Virginia that have a big impact on statewide elections. “We should be thankful for all he's done,” he said.

Justice’s statement endorsing secession was an unexpected but ringing endorsement of legislation before the West Virginia legislature that would let Virginia border counties join the state.

It has become such a hot topic along the border that the White House and President Trump are paying attention to it, according to sources.

It was offered as a long-shot package by Republican Del. Gary Howell after the Virginia voters put their legislature in Democratic hands for the first time in years. In just a few weeks, they have voted for several liberal initiatives including gun control, prompting a massive 22,000-strong, pro-gun rally at the capital in Richmond.

Howell now has 40 of 100 delegates as co-signers, and the legislation has jumped in importance. What’s more, he has a team looking at how West Virginia would admit Virginia counties. Also in the West Virginia Senate, Sen. Charles Trump has offered a resolution urging Frederick County to join West Virginia.

Over 90% of Virginia's counties have already moved to split from Richmond’s campaign for gun control, creating gun “sanctuaries” and potentially paving the way for other anti-Richmond votes.

Justice was joined by Jerry Falwell Jr., president of Liberty University in rural Lynchburg, Virginia, and a close Trump ally.

While Justice promoted the freedoms West Virginia offers to conservative, pro-Trump Virginians who now feel ignored, Falwell ripped the new majority in Richmond and backed efforts by border counties to vote to leave in the upcoming election.

“Democrat leaders in Richmond, through their elitism and radicalism, have left a nearly unrecognizable state in their wake,” said Falwell.

“The Democrats are anti-life, anti-Second Amendment, anti-liberty, and even anti-business with their oppressive environmental regulations,” he added.

Falwell is urging quick action by disgruntled counties and sees the issue as a good one for Republicans in the 2020 election, even among younger voters in part because Democratic Gov. Ralph Northam is targeting support for online students.

“The threat from the radical left is real, and it’s spreading across the country and tearing our national family apart from the seams, but we have a rare opportunity to make history in our time by pushing back against tyranny in Washington and in Richmond," he said, adding, "We need a state government that is not elected by federal workers in the suburbs of Washington, D.C., that will protect our God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, and I believe West Virginia will do just that."
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