How to use the 1962 TLM hand missal
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The Latin hand missal is a true thesaurus, a treasure box of spiritual riches. Do you have a resource to recommend? Please post it here. Thanks.
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Using and Buying a Missal
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(02-15-2020, 07:36 PM)VoxClamantis Wrote: Using and Buying a Missal
Which at its conclusion links in turn to "Launching the Roman Missal"
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(02-15-2020, 09:15 PM)Fionnchu Wrote:
(02-15-2020, 07:36 PM)VoxClamantis Wrote: Using and Buying a Missal
Which at its conclusion links in turn to "Launching the Roman Missal"

On the subject of the 'Red Book' you mention in your essay, Fr Zed had an interesting post today:

ASK FATHER: What are the authentic rubrics, postures for lay people at the Traditional Latin Mass. Are we doing it wrong?
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"Are we doing it wrong?"

The liturgical can of worms.  :P
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(02-15-2020, 11:46 PM)jovan66102 Wrote:
(02-15-2020, 09:15 PM)Fionnchu Wrote:
(02-15-2020, 07:36 PM)VoxClamantis Wrote: Using and Buying a Missal
Which at its conclusion links in turn to "Launching the Roman Missal"

On the subject of the 'Red Book' you mention in your essay, Fr Zed had an interesting post today:

ASK FATHER: What are the authentic rubrics, postures for lay people at the Traditional Latin Mass. Are we doing it wrong?
Interesting too that Fr. Z cites Sheen and Lasance among the hand missals but neither the 1962'ers Baronius nor Angelus (or St Andrew's 1945-ish) for U.S. examples. Those stand-sit-kneel charts are intriguing. Makes me wonder what our forebears might or might not have done regarding postures (and responses, as those crept in during the earlier part of the 20c many places), and how local or parochial, diocesan or national customs might have varied.

For instance, today at FSSP low Mass, I noticed that a few congregants stood during Communion, which is the SOP in our L.A. Archdiocese for Novus Ordo, while neighboring San Diego allows kneeling during that portion. L.A.'s liturgists wanted to discourage kneeling, or genuflecting. Surprised they have not taken out all the kneelers. Curious from others who have or have not seen those maybe new at TLM adapting (or rejecting) diocesan norms when attending TLM and not N.O.
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I still have my well-worn copy of the 1959 ed., " St. Joseph Daily Missal" that my mother gave me on my Confirmation, by Cardinal Timothy Manning on November 21, 1963.

Oh how I long for the return to God's language! How I struggled while studying to be an Altar Boy,

The Confiteor:

"Confiteor Deo omnipotenti, beatae Mariae semper Virgini, beato Michaeli Archabgelo, beato Joanni Baptistae, sanctis Apostolis Petro et Paulo, omnibus Sanctis, et tibi, Pater: quia peccavi nimis cogitatione, verbo, et opere (strick breast three times) mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Ideo precor beatam Mariam semper Virginem, beatum Michaelem Archangelum, beatum Joannem Baptistam, sanctos Apostolos Petrum et Paulum, omnes Sanctos, et te, Pater, orare pro me ad Dominum Deum nostrum."

Priest: "Misereatur vestri omnipotens Deus, et dimissis peccatis vestris, perducat vos as vitam aeternam." [Interesting here, the priest says; "May Almighty God have mercy on you, forgive you your sins, and bring you to everlasting life". You and your, not us.]

Ya, lots of other things changed by Vat II. But I better not get started... :(
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(02-16-2020, 06:48 PM)Fionnchu Wrote: For instance, today at FSSP low Mass, I noticed that a few congregants stood during Communion, which is the SOP in our L.A. Archdiocese for Novus Ordo, while neighboring San Diego allows kneeling during that portion. L.A.'s liturgists wanted to discourage kneeling, or genuflecting. Surprised they have not taken out all the kneelers. Curious from others who have or have not seen those maybe new at TLM adapting (or rejecting) diocesan norms when attending TLM and not N.O.
Thankfully, over here in the St. Augustine Diocese, we have seen that nonkneeling practice come and make a very rapid exit. Occasionally, we will see some folks who try to not kneel, usually visitors and from out of state, but they soon revert back to what is truly proper for such a time in the Mass.
One should have an open mind; open enough that things get in, but not so open that everything falls out
Art Bell
  
I don't need a good memory, because I always tell the truth.
Jessie Ventura

Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain

All War is Deception
Gen. Sun

You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body.
C.S. Lewis

Political Correctness is Fascism pretending to be manners.
George Carlin

“In a time of deceit…truth is a revolutionary act”
George Orwell
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(02-16-2020, 07:14 PM)Zedta Wrote: "Confiteor Deo omnipotenti, beatae Mariae semper Virgini, beato Michaeli Archabgelo, beato Joanni Baptistae, sanctis Apostolis Petro et Paulo, omnibus Sanctis, et tibi, Pater: quia peccavi nimis cogitatione, verbo, et opere (strick breast three times) mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. Ideo precor beatam Mariam semper Virginem, beatum Michaelem Archangelum, beatum Joannem Baptistam, sanctos Apostolos Petrum et Paulum, omnes Sanctos, et te, Pater, orare pro me ad Dominum Deum nostrum."

Priest: "Misereatur vestri omnipotens Deus, et dimissis peccatis vestris, perducat vos as vitam aeternam." [Interesting here, the priest says; "May Almighty God have mercy on you, forgive you your sins, and bring you to everlasting life". You and your, not us.]

Ya, lots of other things changed by Vat II. But I better not get started... :(

Which makes sense, because the priest just said his own Confiteor, to which the servers reply "Misereatur tui omnipotens Deus, et dimissis peccatis tuis, perducat te in vitam aeternam."

It's the same in the Office at Prime and Compline, although in the 1911 reform, it's explicitly added that if the Office is said by only one or two, or if all laity, the Confiteor is said only once, with the reply "Misereatur nostri..." Note that it's still "nostri" even if only one person is saying it, because it's liturgical, something that started to break down in 1960 when, outside of Choir, "Dominus vobiscum" was no longer used.

You make a good point about how the new Mass blurs the lines between clergy and laity. And many of the translations made it even worse, such as the Orate, fratres: "our sacrifice" instead of "my sacrifice and yours". (Bonus points if it's "sisters and brothers".)
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