SSPX Sex Scandals And Cover Ups
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(04-24-2020, 01:49 PM)SeekSalvation Wrote: Police reports, indictments, and court rulings, and prison sentences against the sexual predators in this CM report isn’t fact enough to prove CM is simply reporting ‘facts’ to many for some reason.

No one here things everything CM wrote/said was salacious garbage, but 90% of what they wrote was vile editorializing of their vicious hatred of anything non-CM.

Yes, there were cases of priests who did evil things. Even the SSPX admits this. All of these cases are public and known.

In each case where there were more than bare accusations (which are not facts)—such as public records like court judgements—the SSPX cooperated with the authorities. If you look at the Fr Abbet case reported, it was the SSPX who turned the priest in, and while they did allow a priest and lawyer to help him in his defense (even the guilty are entitled to counselling and defense to ensure real justice and not just vengeance is done), they accepted the court determination.

There were a few cases with lay men (so not SSPX members), but the problem here is that one often gets involved with the internal forum. Often these things come up in confession or private discussions where the moral law does not allow a priest to speak about his knowledge of these things, either because of the seal of confession, or because or the professional secrecy morally demanded.

In all of those cases, however, CM reports only a single source, and often no source at all. In short, they report an accusation.

CM reports a few facts, which if looked at independently are evil cases that were dealt with. Then they mix in loads of speculation to make it seem like there is some devious intrigue here. Then they turn the whole things up to 11 with loaded phrases.

The verifiable facts from public record (not speculation or gossip) are simple :
  • A few priests in the SSPX have done evil things with children. They have been punished with the SSPX turning them in.
  • At least one priest has been alleged to have sought out detailed information from an adult woman about matters sexual (as reported there is no civil crime, but there would be an ecclesiastical one), but has never been convicted of this, the SSPX moved him away from her and forbid him to hear womens' confessions or have private meetings with women while they investigated (arguably inadequate)—despite CM's vague attempt to suggest that this was child sexual abuse.
  • The SSPX has made serious errors in dealing with some cases.
Other facts, though are important :
  • CM has been shown before to play fast and loose with fact to spin a narrative and despite this not correct provable errors in their reporting.
  • CM has cited no law enforcement sources to back up their claim of multiple investigations, which typically journalists do by asking the police, and getting and printing the response, "we can't discuss that because of an ongoing investigation."
  • CM asked the SSPX questions (where they got the e-mails), but never responded after getting that to SSPX inquiries. As soon as they had their dirt they ghosted the SSPX folks.
If it were just facts, no one could argue, but CM reported a few facts, and then spun them into their own narrative which was not factual : "Loosely based on a true story."

(04-24-2020, 01:49 PM)SeekSalvation Wrote: Doesn’t surprise me. Many here in this forum sound exactly the CAF forum about CM. Might I suggest we stop using our sin of Pride, specifically Judging Others, and help bring the Church together and not divide it anymore?

Do you think that people here who are calling out CM for their Pride and judgement of others are not trying to do this!? We're not just complaining because we're trying to protect the SSPX or perverts. We want the truth and justice, for victims and the accused! CM is not after this.

If Voris and CM were trying to clean out the filth (a good thing), and that's all, and they were trying to unite us, why did they not correct or respond to Matt Gaspers (not an SSPX supporter) proof that their work on the previous SSPX hit-piece was factually incorrect. Instead Voris got on Twitter and attacked him as supporting pedophiles, then blocked him.

Listen, if there is filth in the SSPX to come out and be fixed, then that should be done. No good Catholic want to defend evil. Voris and CM, unfortunately, have shown they are not after facts or purging evil, but slandering the SSPX in any way possible. As Voris has claimed, and Rod Dreher said, they've been planning this for a while. If it is so important, why did they not go to police when they found out, rather than build up a special report?

I can only speculate why, but that's exactly the unhealthy Pride and judgement that does not bring us together.

I think Steve Skojec (also not an SSPX supporter) put it brilliantly, and also showed why we cannot "Unite the Clans" like you would suggest without a common cause. Right now, as he said, "we have a common enemy and that's not enough."
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RE: SSPX Sex Scandals And Cover Ups - by Adventus - 04-22-2020, 04:00 PM
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