SSPX Sex Scandals And Cover Ups
#51
Quote:What a hot mess!
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#52
(04-24-2020, 10:41 AM)Adventus Wrote:
(04-23-2020, 08:12 PM)JacksonE Wrote:
(04-23-2020, 03:22 PM)Adventus Wrote: The part that bothers me about this whole thing is that NO priests weren't afforded the same treatment by some of the very people that are coming to the rescue for the SSPX. I recall seeing callings of public hangings (who knows how literal they meant that) without even having all the information and names were most certainly used in those situations. 

Hi Adventus,

Actual Catholic (now known as “traditional“ Catholic) priests commit such vile acts in spite of their connection with actual Catholicism; but those of the new Vatican II religion commit such vile acts largely because of their new religion, as this new religion is utterly polluted with the infernal spirit of this world.

As for those proven, after due process, to have sexually molested any child, they should indeed be publicly executed. This should occur whether the offender is connected to actual Catholicism or not, and regardless of whether the offender is a priest or not.

What are you talking about? What specifically is a part of this new religion that would incline someone to do such things? And by a part, I mean it is plainly seen and must be followed. This sounds utterly ridiculous. 
There are certain aspects of the new religion which help create the water in which these fish likecto swim:
a) a tendency to be tolerant towards sexual misdemeanors b) a tendency to be especially tolerant towards homosexuality and therefore © a forgiving attitude towards predatory homosexual priests.
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(04-27-2020, 07:09 AM)Maximian Wrote:
(04-24-2020, 10:41 AM)Adventus Wrote:
(04-23-2020, 08:12 PM)JacksonE Wrote:
(04-23-2020, 03:22 PM)Adventus Wrote: The part that bothers me about this whole thing is that NO priests weren't afforded the same treatment by some of the very people that are coming to the rescue for the SSPX. I recall seeing callings of public hangings (who knows how literal they meant that) without even having all the information and names were most certainly used in those situations. 

Hi Adventus,

Actual Catholic (now known as “traditional“ Catholic) priests commit such vile acts in spite of their connection with actual Catholicism; but those of the new Vatican II religion commit such vile acts largely because of their new religion, as this new religion is utterly polluted with the infernal spirit of this world.

As for those proven, after due process, to have sexually molested any child, they should indeed be publicly executed. This should occur whether the offender is connected to actual Catholicism or not, and regardless of whether the offender is a priest or not.

What are you talking about? What specifically is a part of this new religion that would incline someone to do such things? And by a part, I mean it is plainly seen and must be followed. This sounds utterly ridiculous. 
There are certain aspects of the new religion which help create the water in which these fish likecto swim:
a) a tendency to be tolerant towards sexual misdemeanors b) a tendency to be especially tolerant towards homosexuality and therefore © a forgiving attitude towards predatory homosexual priests.

I know what you mean, but here is the thing.........I have plenty of SSPX and FSSP as friends and although there is much I love about their approach to liturgy and the Church, in general, I can say one thing, they come off as more manly in a world that is so feminine. This is a good thing of course, however, most of what I've experienced come off as ex-military types that still play video games, watch porn, and drop f-bombs. You could account that to me having some young Trads and perhaps there is some truth in that but nonetheless, it is a disparaging difference. And not once did I incline to think that something within Traditionalism was the cause of this. Even though a case can be made for it (not one I subscribe to at all) in the sense of having a false view of what it means to be a man and a patriarchal society......a disordered view and not something that is in any way supported by Sensus Fidelium. 

Much better to explain the disorder or wrongness of something............than to tell others how their sins are uglier than yours.
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#54
Quote:As for those proven, after due process, to have sexually molested any child, they should indeed be publicly executed.

Do I understand correctly that before it was changed, canon law specified that clergy convicted of the sexual abuse of minors were to be handed over to the state to suffer just such a fate?

Thanks for this discussion.
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#55
So....here is the CM response.

I don't really care what "kind" of outfit CM is.  I do care about children.

What's up with the Dad who was convicted of raping his daughters sitting in the pews?  Wouldn't it be more appropriate for someone like that to receive the sacraments privately?

And the priest who was transferred to the school?

Like I said before, these things will happen anywhere.  Not handing them over to the civil authorities for due process of the law and ensuring that no child is endangered by them again is absolutely inexcusable.

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(04-27-2020, 01:38 PM)Sacred Heart lover Wrote: So....here is the CM response.

I don't really care what "kind" of outfit CM is.  I do care about children.

What's up with the Dad who was convicted of raping his daughters sitting in the pews?  Wouldn't it be more appropriate for someone like that to receive the sacraments privately?

And the priest who was transferred to the school?

Like I said before, these things will happen anywhere.  Not handing them over to the civil authorities for due process of the law and ensuring that no child is endangered by them again is absolutely inexcusable.


Everyone cares about children, just like we all deplore the clergy abuse crisis, but is any of this hyperbole from Church Militant to the benefit of the Children?  I am not sure that it is.   If I was the Society (which I am not in any capacity), I would engage CM no further with any public statements - not that any statements will suffice for CM.  Mr Voris is getting exactly what he has set out to obtain with how this was publicly packaged and presented on an ongoing basis. The SSPX has an obligation to speak to law enforcement and relevant ecclesiastical authorities on these matters, nothing more.  For five decades, they have survived by being anchored to the truths of the Catholic faith, not to the Court of public opinion.  For the laity who look to the SSPX for their spiritual well being, along with the friends and benefactors of the Society, this should be dealt with in a separate communication stream for prudential reasons.
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#57
From all I see the authorities are informed. It is not the job of the priest to prosecute people or legally sentence them, just to not to hide evidence (of course, things outside confession)

There is no point in receiving the sacraments privately as far as I see. The only logic would be that the perpetrator would abuse someone while being on the pews, which seems rather impossible to me, but even then, just an instruction to keep distance would be enough.
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#58
Sorry, there are no sacred cows when it comes to this matter.

I would not want a man who raped his daughter in the pews near my daughters or within miles of them.  Would you?

Aren't there laws about convicted sex offenders having proximity to children?  

And it's a scandal that he would be in the pews which is why I suggested a private reception of the sacraments.  Certain crimes require that you lose your right to fully join society again.

Also, why would a priest, guilty or not guilty, who has been accused of sex crimes be transferred to a school?  Would you want them around your children?

It would be prudent to find another kind of position for them until the matter has been thoroughly vetted and solved.

I don't care about Michael Voris.

I care about the questions being answered.


And the wording "a discreet number of cases" is egregious, as is the lack of an apology to the victims.

Meanwhile, Father John Hollowell of the NO asked God to allow him to suffer for the poor victims of clerical abuse and was given a brain tumor.  Here is his sermon just before he went in for brain surgery:

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(04-27-2020, 02:48 PM)Daniel-AH Wrote: From all I see the authorities are informed. It is not the job of the priest to prosecute people or legally sentence them, just to not to hide evidence (of course, things outside confession)

There is no point in receiving the sacraments privately as far as I see. The only logic would be that the perpetrator would abuse someone while being on the pews, which seems rather impossible to me, but even then, just an instruction to keep distance would be enough.

Perpetrators groom.  There are probably people in the church who don't know of his crimes.  He could ingratiate himself with the girls, hang out near the bathrooms, offer a kid a ride home...etc.

Unless you have someone follow him around and tell every person in the Church about his crime, including new visitors etc. etc.  Well....that's just not going to work.

If they send a priest who has been accused of sex crimes to a school it's very very clear they cannot handle these things internally.
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If you do not want the man near your daughters you are free to go to another church or explain the priest how the man could abuse someone during the very mass. If you think some law is being broken feel free to notify the police. Scandal is leading others to sin, but someone who repents and goes to mass doesn't do this. Mass is not some kind of society event, and it is not only receiving the host in a couple minutes.

If someone is accused what is done depends on the evidence that is given, and each case is a different thing. I do not comment on transferring someone to a school because I don't know how credible the accusations were or what he did in the school, or for how long.

If some priest did something that prevented some abuser from being caught then that priest should apologize. But at least I will not ever apologize for something I have played no part in. This is different form offering your suffering for someone of course.

I do not care about Voris either, this is just my reasoning
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