Four cardinals join global appeal decrying crackdown on basic freedoms over coronavir
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It's not out of the question that there will be a "Covid 2.0." Once a virus is around, it's going to take a long time to be eradicated, if it can at all. And the fall-winter season is usually the most active time for people getting sick, so it's reasonable to think that there will be a natural resurgence of Covid-19 at some point.

I do not think this is an "orchestrated attack" in the sense that this virus was designed and intentionally spread by some covert entity. The virus itself is most likely a naturally occurring pathogen just like hundreds of others. There may be an extreme remote chance that it "escaped" from a lab somehow, but at this point, the genesis of the disease doesn't matter too much.

The "orchestrated attack" is the narrative of fear created by the media and largely left-leaning politicians. Over here in the US, one would have to be either completely aloof of how interwoven the left is with the media, or they'd have to be in complete denial that they support each other. This "pandemic" is more a case of great opportunity for them: an actual event, an unseen virus, crippling the economy, but with actual health impacts to the public. Over here, they're already casting doom and gloom about the resurgence of the virus in the fall, which gladly for them coincides with the next Presidential election. So they will take the opportunity to portray the President's response to it now as a great failure, and then use this as leverage as the election approaches in November.

Most of the Democratic governors have taken every opportunity they can to rant about how the Federal government failed them. They've done this in a number of ways. Some of them requested ridiculous amounts of PPE from the Federal Government, knowing it wasn't available, then publishing the numbers and complaining about how little they received . . . "we asked for 50,000,000 pairs of gloves, but we only got 100,000!" The numbers projected at the beginning, for things like PPE and ventilators, were absurdly high and were based on extreme projections, and then coupled with responses from hospitals and other agencies who stated how much they need. Human nature, they don't want to run out of anything and get blamed for a shortfall, so obviously people were requesting inordinate amounts of things to make sure they were covered.

The thing is, if the President would have told these states beforehand to shut down and restrict certain things, they wouldn't have obeyed, and would have responded that they knew better than him how to run their states. But then he gets the blame for everything, taking no responsibility themselves. "He should have told us to cancel Mardi Gras!" said the mayor of New Orleans.

The media is effective because they report elements of truth, while omitting a lot of facts, and using strong language and visuals, emotional stories, etc., to exaggerate stories to force a certain agenda and narrative. This, coupled with the fact that we live in a very "sound-bite" society of many people who may not read past a headline or caption, more easily lets their concocted agenda achieve its purpose.
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(05-10-2020, 04:59 PM)LionHippo Wrote: I do not think this is an "orchestrated attack" in the sense that this virus was designed and intentionally spread by some covert entity.


I do.

(05-10-2020, 04:59 PM)LionHippo Wrote: The virus itself is most likely a naturally occurring pathogen just like hundreds of others.


I thought the same, but having these 4 within 20 years all in the same places where Bill Gates, WHO, UN etc all have their tentacles is far too much of a coincidence, and when one takes off, who gets tones of money to combat it?.... follow the money. I'm glad Trump is defunding the WHO, how can Bill Gates be something like the second largest donor? When your the largest donor to something, your also the largest shareholder aka you own it.

(05-10-2020, 04:59 PM)LionHippo Wrote: There may be an extreme remote chance that it "escaped" from a lab somehow, but at this point, the genesis of the disease doesn't matter too much.

How can the origin not matter? If you don't care about it's genesis, then COVID 2.0 and 3.0 etc etc is an inevitability. Are these lock downs going to become the new normal? I absolutely think it escaped from the Wuhan lab, it's just far too much of a coincidence and I don't think the Chinese Communist Government did it on purpose, but I do suspect a sinister plot by others even in the west like Bill Gates who could have got it released, loosening of red tape here, a little bribe there and it was bound to happen with a poorly run bio lab.

(05-10-2020, 04:59 PM)LionHippo Wrote: The "orchestrated attack" is the narrative of fear created by the media and largely left-leaning politicians.


No, they are all saying that such things are 'conspiracy theory' and are pushing for more funding to these organizations and especially in regards to Bill Gates and his vaccination program, that's why they are doing their best to discredit Hydroxychloroquine because there is no major money in it. If you get people scared enough with these lock downs and viruses, and then come out with a world wide vaccine, 7 billion people at how much a vaccine? (not to mention proper testing and side effects of a vaccine) Imagine the trillions of dollars these people like Bill Gates stand to make? Who already believe the world is over populated and would have no qualms killing millions for the 'greater good'.

(05-10-2020, 04:59 PM)LionHippo Wrote: The thing is, if the President would have told these states beforehand to shut down and restrict certain things, they wouldn't have obeyed, and would have responded that they knew better than him how to run their states. But then he gets the blame for everything, taking no responsibility themselves. "He should have told us to cancel Mardi Gras!" said the mayor of New Orleans.

The media is effective because they report elements of truth, while omitting a lot of facts, and using strong language and visuals, emotional stories, etc., to exaggerate stories to force a certain agenda and narrative. This, coupled with the fact that we live in a very "sound-bite" society of many people who may not read past a headline or caption, more easily lets their concocted agenda achieve its purpose.

Exactly.

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(05-10-2020, 04:11 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: Far, far too many to type with one finger as I do. Yellow fever, cholera, and smallpox all come to mind. Here is a list of epidemics and pandemics. In reality, since the development of germ theory in the 19th century and of virology in the early 20th, we have had far fewer epidemics and pandemics than at any time in recorded human history.

I don't recall such a reaction as these lock downs to all of those, I just think these 4 within 20 years all in the same places people like Bill Gates, WHO, UN etc all have their tentacles is a major coincidence, how can they not find their origins?

In any case, I'm glad Trump is defunding the WHO, somebody else clearly owns them which is always the case with globalist organizations, much like communism (If China didn't call all the shots the WHO wouldn't be allowed in), and I hope when we ease lock downs, we maintain travel restrictions from hot spot regions where these viruses are coming from like China, and hopefully bring back more national manufacturing and become less reliant on other nations like China.

To prevent another pandemic, they can only push for globalism or nationalism, I sure hope the latter wins, because globalism just ensures another and worse one as nations can't control and police the world and the attempt to do so also just bring the Anti Christ all the more closer who needs a globalist system. People pushing for globalism are so dumb that they think nothing can go wrong? and with globalism when something goes wrong it's global and nobody is safe from it.

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(05-10-2020, 09:06 PM)josh987654321 Wrote: I don't recall such a reaction as these lock downs to all of those, ...

Well, since by your own admission you didn't know about any of these except the Black Plague of the Middles Ages and the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918, how would you recall lock downs? 

Also since for the first 3,070 years of the 3,220 years covered by that list they had absolutely no idea how diseases were transmitted, why would they have had lock downs? In 1918, they did know how diseases were transmitted and they did have a lockdown. Where it was observed strictly there were far fewer deaths than where it wasn't. Here's a good article on how the response varied and how it affected the total deaths.

https://www.history.com/news/spanish-flu...nse-cities
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Bill Gates - Most Powerful Doctor
https://www.politico.eu/article/bill-gat...ul-doctor/

This same Bill Gates who believes we are over populated and that something must be done, he is also a staunch activist of murder (abortion). He makes Vaccines that he can then sell to WHO which he owns, it's a massive money making racket and if he can get a global pandemic to scare enough people into getting his vaccines and even if governments try to make them mandatory, then the money he stands to make and the power he stands to get is just unreal.

This is extremely suspect, Trump really needs to start breaking down these monopolies in big tech and media.

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(05-10-2020, 09:03 PM)josh987654321 Wrote: No, they are all saying that such things are 'conspiracy theory' and are pushing for more funding to these organizations and especially in regards to Bill Gates and his vaccination program, that's why they are doing their best to discredit Hydroxychloroquine because there is no major money in it. If you get people scared enough with these lock downs and viruses, and then come out with a world wide vaccine, 7 billion people at how much a vaccine? (not to mention proper testing and side effects of a vaccine) Imagine the trillions of dollars these people like Bill Gates stand to make? Who already believe the world is over populated and would have no qualms killing millions for the 'greater good'.

If "they" designed the coronavirus in the first place, and their ultimate goal is "killing millions" for population control, then why wouldn't they just have designed a more lethal virus to kill people in the first place, rather than a relatively tame virus that would require a vaccine to be developed?

They could have designed a super virus, secretly created vaccines to provide to the elites who they wanted to "save," and then just unleash the virus on the rest of the world.

Why does Gates need more money?  What's his ultimate goal?

Some of the conspiracies surrounding this rather tame pandemic reflect the modern West's detachment from history and inexperience dealing with any type of substantial crisis or hardship.  

Could you imagine the modern Westerner having to deal with something like World War 2?  They're too comfortable, spoiled, infantile.  They wouldn't remotely have the stomach for it.
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(05-11-2020, 07:21 AM)LionHippo Wrote: If "they" designed the coronavirus in the first place, and their ultimate goal is "killing millions" for population control, then why wouldn't they just have designed a more lethal virus to kill people in the first place, rather than a relatively tame virus that would require a vaccine to be developed?

Given the lock down situation I don't think it's relatively tame, in any case it's got to be believable/convincing, something that's obviously been man manipulated wouldn't fly since many others will be researching it too and it can't be traced back to them.

(05-11-2020, 07:21 AM)LionHippo Wrote: Why does Gates need more money?  What's his ultimate goal?

Ultimate goal?... obvious, he is a big believer in population control and if he subscribes to those who believe we are massively over populated and poised for a fall from unimaginable heights (As Michael Moore's Planet of the Humans put it) then he not only solves the problem, but also comes in as the great humanitarian and savior.

Why does anyone need more money? Pride, Vanity... how much is enough? Those who try to fill themselves with wealth, power etc are filling a bottomless pit and so obviously it's never enough. Just like those driven by revenge, it's never enough, there is always someone to blame and nothing can restore what was lost.

(05-11-2020, 07:21 AM)LionHippo Wrote: Some of the conspiracies surrounding this rather tame pandemic reflect the modern West's detachment from history and inexperience dealing with any type of substantial crisis or hardship.  

Could you imagine the modern Westerner having to deal with something like World War 2?  They're too comfortable, spoiled, infantile.  They wouldn't remotely have the stomach for it.

Many people did not believe there would be a 2nd world war and many more did not believe Jews and others were being rounded up and exterminated on mass.

So it's quite the contrary, when people think these things can't happen then that's just when they do, look at how many people think that the tech giants like Google, Youtube and Facebook are okay and are totally oblivious to the censorship and the absolutely incredible ways they are manipulated? Remember Clinton's fact checkers? I could go on and on... there's a reason ISIS was finished when Trump won.

.... even look at Catholic Answers Forums and our Priests and Bishops? How many of them know that Francis worshiped a Pachamama Idol in the Vatican? Yet there are plenty of pictures and irrefutable proof that he most certainly did, and that's just one of many things that if you even tried to mention at CAF you'd be banned.

Remember what Our Lord said? He will be like a thief in the night, and nobody would allow their house to be robbed if they knew what time the thief was coming, in the same way, when people are on the lookout for the devil you are much safer, when the masses are totally oblivious that's just when the enemy will strike... and look around, sodomy, abortion, gender theory, 'who am I to judge' and staunch climate activists (useful idiots) who believe we are over populated and the end is nigh less we do something drastic.

You can tell by our elections good and evil is 50/50 currently in the west. How can 50 percent or more of Americans, Australians etc etc be either totally ignorant or totally okay and favorable to the cold blooded murder of the most innocent in their mothers wombs all the way to birth and even after birth?

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