Cardinal Burke: ‘Consecration of Russia’ to Our Lady ‘more needed now than ever’
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ROME, May 20, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) – Cardinal Raymond Burke renewed his call today for the Consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, as requested by Our Lady of Fatima, saying that the current worldwide coronavirus crisis shows that it is “more needed now than ever.”
In a powerful address during the virtual Rome Life Forum hosted by Voice of the Family (read full talk below), the Cardinal connected the errors of communist Russia with the current crisis, highlighting the prominent role that the atheist communist regime of China has played in it.
“The consecration of Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary is more needed today than ever,” he said. https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/cardin...-than-ever


                                                          I think the last decent Bishops are going to have to do it themselves, because Jorge "Here we do not talk of Fatima" Bergoglio will never be on board.
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Except according to the Fatima experts, it has to be the bishop of Rome. So either Francis or Benedict depending on who the real pope is.
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Why does this call for consecration still exist? By numerous accounts, it has been done already.

( As early as 1942, Pius XII consecrated the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and in 1952 he specifically consecrated Russia.

Following the assassination, while he was still recuperating, John Paul II had a special act of entrustment performed on June 7, 1981, and it was repeated in Fatima on May 13, 1982.

However, there was a question of whether these fulfilled the request made by the Virgin Mary, as she had asked that the pope perform the consecration “in union with all the bishops of the world.”

Consequently, “in order to respond more fully to the requests of ‘our Lady’ . . . on 25 March 1984 in St. Peter’s Square, while recalling the fiat uttered by Mary at the Annunciation, the Holy Father, in spiritual union with the bishops of the world, who had been ‘convoked’ beforehand, entrusted all men and women and all peoples to the Immaculate Heart of Mary.”

Subsequently, in a letter dated November 8, 1989, Sr. Lucia confirmed that the consecration had been done, writing, “Yes, it has been done just as our Lady asked, on 25 March 1984.” )
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(05-21-2020, 01:52 PM)LionHippo Wrote: Why does this call for consecration still exist?  By numerous accounts, it has been done already. 

( As early as 1942, Pius XII consecrated the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and in 1952 he specifically consecrated Rusl recuperating, John Paul II had a special act of entrustment performed on June 7, 1981, and it was repeated in Fatima on May


                                               8 Popes have failed to perform the Consecration of Russia according to the Blessed Mother's specific instructions. The consecration was to be performed by the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World. JPII did not perform the consecration as requested, he did one to the World and mentioned Russia, but this was contrary to what our Blessed Mother specifically requested.
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(05-21-2020, 02:36 PM)Eric F Wrote:
(05-21-2020, 01:52 PM)LionHippo Wrote: Why does this call for consecration still exist?  By numerous accounts, it has been done already. 

( As early as 1942, Pius XII consecrated the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and in 1952 he specifically consecrated Rusl recuperating, John Paul II had a special act of entrustment performed on June 7, 1981, and it was repeated in Fatima on May


                                               8 Popes have failed to perform the Consecration of Russia according to the Blessed Mother's specific instructions. The consecration was to be performed by the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World. JPII did not perform the consecration as requested, he did one to the World and mentioned Russia, but this was contrary to what our Blessed Mother specifically requested.

It seems to enter into the realm of superstition and gnosticism when we go down paths of saying 8 popes were wrong because they didn't do something specifically according to a private revelation.  

If someone from another religious tradition told you that many problems in the world were due to the fact than an old man didn't say a specific set of words according to the ghost of a man-god's mother who appeared to three illiterate school children in a dirt poor country 100 years ago, what would you think?  Because to an outside observer, that's basically what this private revelation is.  

My opinion is that folks should move on from the supposed secrets of Fatima...such attachments to private revelations twist the faith into conspiratorial and apocalyptic mindsets that have nothing to do with living the Gospel.  The Fatima call to prayer and repentance is in accord with the Christian life.  Conspiracies about secrets verge on gnosticism.  Singling out Russia as the supposed "source" for all of these problems reflects a Western-capitalist political view, not necessarily a Catholic or Christian one.  

And besides, Russia seems to have matured more spiritually under Orthodoxy over the last few decades, while Europe has become secularized under the influence of Catholicism.  Maybe the Vatican needs to be consecrated, not Russia.  

But anyway, assuming the Pope does this tomorrow as requested, exactly as told, what would the result be?
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Some of those Popes claimed to believe very strongly in the message of Fatima. And still they wouldn't perform the consecration as requested.
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(05-21-2020, 01:38 PM)austenbosten Wrote: Except according to the Fatima experts, it has to be the bishop of Rome.  

And, it must be a Consecration of Russia, not the world, and done in union with all the Bishops of the world, neither of which has ever been done in all the putative 'Consecrations of Russia' that have been done in the past.
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(05-21-2020, 02:36 PM)Eric F Wrote:
(05-21-2020, 01:52 PM)LionHippo Wrote: Why does this call for consecration still exist?  By numerous accounts, it has been done already. 

( As early as 1942, Pius XII consecrated the entire world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, and in 1952 he specifically consecrated Rusl recuperating, John Paul II had a special act of entrustment performed on June 7, 1981, and it was repeated in Fatima on May
The consecration was to be performed by the Pope in union with all the Bishops of the World. JPII did not perform the consecration as requested, he did one to the World and mentioned Russia, but this was contrary to what our Blessed Mother specifically requested.

In union with all the bishops of the world....When are the bishops united on anything? Maybe they could throw that in with a universal statement on immigration.
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(05-21-2020, 03:24 PM)Eric F Wrote: Some of those Popes claimed to believe very strongly in the message of Fatima. And still they wouldn't perform the consecration as requested.

This is just goofy.  Why wouldn't they?  And jeez, you'd think that if it were so imperative, Mary would come back and tell them what to do again.  

There is an infatuation with Fatima in some circles that twists Catholicism into a separate religion of "Fatimism."  This supposed incomplete consecration makes it sound like the pope has to chant a spell over an entire country like some kind of magician. 

What exactly is going to happen when this is performed properly?
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(05-21-2020, 03:27 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: And, it must be a Consecration of Russia, not the world, and done in union with all the Bishops of the world, neither of which has ever been done in all the putative 'Consecrations of Russia' that have been done in the past.
(05-21-2020, 01:38 PM)austenbosten Wrote: Except according to the Fatima experts, it has to be the bishop of Rome. So either Francis or Benedict depending on who the real pope is.

The world (and that includes Russia, just as the definition of me includes my hand) was consecrated by many Popes. And it must be remembered that there is but one Pope, and he is Francis. Benedict resigned. Unless Benedict says otherwise, Francis is the Pope.
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