Christ, the Unjust Judge
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(05-26-2020, 10:05 PM)MagisterMusicae Wrote:
(05-26-2020, 06:35 PM)Melkite Wrote:
MagisterMusicae Wrote:Key here is Christ saying that "God is a spirit" because we know that spiritual things are simple. That is the more direct proof from revelation for Divine Simplicity.

How do we know for certain that spiritual things are simple?

Well, first, it's a De Fide proposition (Dz 1782/DS 3001), so whether it can be shown by philosophy or some citation, the Magisterium teaches that "God as being one, sole, absolutely simple and immutable spiritual substance, is to be declared as really and essentially distinct from the world (which is composit and changeable)."

Secondly, it follows from the fact that God is pure act. If He were able to be divided into parts, then these would be in potency in at least some way, and God could not be pure act, which means God could not be God. 

Thirdly, it would make Scripture false if it were not true. "God is Charity" not "God has Charity" God is identified by his attributes. If God is these attribute and not mere possessor of these in eminent degree, then He must be His own Essence. God is the Deity, God does not have Deity.

Fourthly, God must be pure Form, without Matter, but Form is simple and uncomposed, and so God must be simple and uncomposed.

Fifthy, since every composite thing is posterior on the parts which composes it, if God were composed of parts and not absolutely simple, then His parts would be prior to Him, and so He would exist only after His parts. So he would not be the First Being. (This is not a temporal argument, but one of priority of nature).

Sixtly, every composite has a cause. God is uncaused, so God must be simple.


Would it be correct to say that when we speak of divine simplicity, it's not so much simplicity as commonly understood, but just a logical necessity for God to be the uncaused cause?  If so, I think I kind of understand.  Mercy and Justice would have to exist prior to God as concepts if they could be measured in him, kind of deal?  And then he wouldn't be God, but a creature made of the substances of mercy and justice? 

Is it better then to say God is Mercy and Justice rather than he is merciful and just?  The former signifies something different from the latter.

Is there a book you would recommend that focuses on God being his attributes rather than having attributes, and all that entails?  Something not too dry?
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Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 10:57 AM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by FultonFan - 05-26-2020, 12:09 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 12:33 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by formerbuddhist - 05-26-2020, 12:52 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by formerbuddhist - 05-26-2020, 12:29 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by xsantiagox - 05-26-2020, 12:31 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Augustinian - 05-26-2020, 01:24 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Augustinian - 05-26-2020, 01:34 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 01:43 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by piscis - 05-26-2020, 02:01 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 02:23 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by MagisterMusicae - 05-26-2020, 04:27 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 04:44 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by MagisterMusicae - 05-26-2020, 06:20 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 06:35 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by MagisterMusicae - 05-26-2020, 10:05 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 11:48 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Daniel-AH - 06-11-2020, 11:47 AM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by xsantiagox - 05-26-2020, 04:32 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 05-26-2020, 04:46 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by ServusDei - 05-26-2020, 08:41 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by josh987654321 - 05-26-2020, 09:03 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by josh987654321 - 05-26-2020, 09:16 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by LionHippo - 05-26-2020, 10:19 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by josh987654321 - 05-26-2020, 11:56 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by josh987654321 - 05-27-2020, 12:24 AM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Melkite - 06-10-2020, 04:40 PM
RE: Christ, the Unjust Judge - by Augustinian - 06-10-2020, 09:52 PM



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