Video: Yugoslavian Issues Warning To All Americans
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This is REALLY good. She says a bunch of very eyeopening stuff in this and her suggestions and implications should send a shudder of fear up your spine:

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Yugoslavia is not only the blueprint for how to get a nation to destroy itself, but also how external forces can make it happen with a sinister, destructive agenda hidden behind fanciful humanitarian lingo.

Related but perhaps slightly off-topic, this is a good vid which goes in depth as to how globalist corporate interests facilitated the collapse of Yugoslavia...


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The Western media took sides in that conflict as well, propping up their man Clinton and convincing the West that the U.S./UK/NATO actions against the Serbs were justified.  U.S./UK led forces ruthlessly bombed Orthodox Serb civilian territories, killing countless innocent men, women, and children and forcing half a million others into permanent exile from their homelands.  No one cared.   

The media was then, as it is now, the enemy of the people.  Again and again, the media are responsible for stirring up and justifying endless wars and conflicts and for covering up the genocides of Christians.  It will never change.
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(07-26-2020, 12:46 PM)PorphyriosK Wrote:  No one cared.   

The media was then, as it is now, the enemy of the people.  Again and again, the media are responsible for stirring up and justifying endless wars and conflicts and for covering up the genocides of Christians.  It will never change.
How very insightful a post. [Hat Tip!]

Once again, the Clinton Globalist Agenda was at work under the cover of the Clinton Foundation. In the end, it was Christians, especially Catholic and Orthodox that took the brunt of it..."Nobody Cared".
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I don't need a good memory, because I always tell the truth.
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Its no wonder truth is stranger than fiction.
Fiction has to make sense
Mark Twain

If history doesn't repeat itself, it sure does rhyme.
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Magic in the Twilight of Yugoslavia

Every Halloween, I remember how growing up in 1990s Belgrade I was, like many children across the world, fascinated by the mysterious and the occult. Besides gorging on horror and mystery films, I loved going to our neighbours, an elderly lady and her daughter, who would, night after night, tell stories of the paranormal to my sceptical grandmother. During every visit, they would tell stories of supernatural beings, such as the ‘drekavci’, vampire-like creatures of Serbian folklore and hairdressers whose hands were guided by the Virgin Mary, while also sharing theories and prophecies that explained the everyday tumults of Milosevic’s Serbia.

In my eyes, their nightly attempts to conjure up explanations of things all of us barely understood in those murky days – the erratic politics of Milosevic’s regime, why some of our neighbours were unlucky in love and complicated discussions of hexes, masonic conspiracies, cults and prophecies – rivalled anything I could watch on the X-Files.

While my family was adamantly against astrologers, fortune tellers and faith healers, our neighbours spent a lot of money on spiritual cleanses and de-hexing despite their constantly precarious finances. Once they even paid about two hundred deutschmarks, a lot of money at the time, to be locked into their own darkened home and starved for two days in the company of one local occult hobbyist, who had a full-time job as an engineer at a state company. Although they did not seem too happy with the result and they could not explain the process, they would still insist the guy emanated ‘good energy’.

Although my neighbours were on the more extreme end of the spectrum, a rarely discussed abnormality of life in what was left of Yugoslavia under Milosevic’s rule was the ubiquity of the paranormal. From their TV screens and their plush offices in central Belgrade, psychics and astrologers competed with newly formed banks (read: Ponzi-schemes) to enchant tens of thousands of Yugoslavs into giving them their precious savings.

Colourful covers of Trece Oko (Third Eye) and Zona Sumraka (Twilight Zone) regularly told stories of vampire attacks, curses applied and removed and magical wars waged between white and black mages for the future of Yugoslavia. On TV, beside colourful characters displaying their supernatural gifts ranging from resistance to electricity to mind-reading, pundits quoted colourful books of prophecies, as well as alternative histories claiming Serbs were the oldest nation or that the scientist Nikola Tesla engaged in occult work. In addition to our local divinely-inspired hairdresser, there were also decorators, electricians and artists who regularly claimed otherworldly connections.

Indeed, belief in the paranormal spread so far that our very sober family friends who emigrated to London assured us in an email sent during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia (then formed of Serbia and Montenegro) in 1999 that we ‘needn’t worry, as Tesla’s weapon’ was almost ready. Needless to say, this mythical weapon conceived by Nikola Tesla, a famous scientist of Serb origin, which uses electromagnetic waves for mind control and/or destruction, depending on which conspiracy theory you subscribe to, failed to materialise.

Descent into Chaos

 While folk magic traditions and beliefs existed throughout the run of scientific-rational, socialist Yugoslavia, the turn towards the paranormal started after Josip Broz Tito, the Yugoslav-era socialist ruler, died in 1980.

The first major indication things were heading in a paranormal direction came in 1981, when the Virgin Mary was said to have appeared before six youths in Medjugorje, a town in Southern Herzegovina. The town has since become a major pilgrimage site, despite not being recognised by the Vatican.

In Serbia in 1982, the 19th century Kremna Prophecies were put back in the spotlight after Dragoljuc Golubovic, a famous journalist, and Dejan Malenkovic, published a popular book about them.  Allegedly dictated to a priest in a remote mountain village by two illiterate shepherds, the prophecies were part of Serbian pop culture and were used to interpret various political happenings up until World War II.
According to Serbian essayist Voja Antonic, who published an analysis of the Kremna phenomenon, the Golubovic-Malenkovic version of the prophecies had been modified to include allusions to events that took place in Yugoslavia during World War II, the rise of communism and Tito himself. In subsequent editions of the book, prophecies were constantly amended to reflect new events until in its 8th edition published in 1991 as Yugoslavia fell, an optimistic prophecy about long-lasting peace in Yugoslavia was removed from the book.

The speed of Yugoslavia’s decline into instability in the late 80s and early 90s was only matched by the growing popularity of various clairvoyants, mages and healers. The most popular were foreign imports Allan Chumak, a Russian faith-healer who came to prominence during Gorbachev’s Perestroika, and a blind Bulgarian prophet, Vangeliya Dimitrova, better known as ‘Baba Vanga’. Chumak’s popularity in Serbia was such that in addition to appearing on most popular TV shows, a magazine published his photos so that his believers could be healed by his energy.

Although none of the local occult stars ever reached global fame, they were making good use of new technologies and the chaos of the Milosevic years. Many of them had their own shows on new TV networks such as Pink and launched their own psychic telephone hotlines.

Of course, these 1990s psychics were a colourful bunch. Lav Gersman, a Jewish Ukrainian ‘white mage’ who moved to Serbia and was consulted on political events, used to be circus performer. Kleopatra, the self-styled ‘queen of clairvoyants’ who helped and scolded her fans each night on TV, was a folk singer in the 1980s and one of the first trans personalities of the former Yugoslavia. The problems they dealt with on their shows were varied and ranged from romantic troubles to darker topics of domestic violence and tracing relatives who had disappeared in the Yugoslav wars.

Milosevic’s Psychic Soldiers

One of the most bizarre episodes of this early 90s magic mania was the formation of a group of psychics within the army of what was left of the Yugoslav Federation. Called Group 69 (due to the number’s numerological, rather than lascivious associations), it sought to use the talents of local psychics to fight against what its prominent member and chief theorist Svetozar Radisic called ‘an economic, technological, psychological, informational, religious, cultural, geographic and neo-cortical war against Serbs’.

Although Group 69 members were frequent guests in mainstream media, such as the popular astrologer Milja Vujanovic who claimed to be married to Regulus, a star in the constellation of Leo, much of the group’s work was covert. They counted the downing of several planes during the war in Bosnia and the NATO bombing of Serbia, plus a few mishaps that befell the Pope and several Western officials, among their achievements of the time.

According to many sources however, one of the group’s main concerns was the ‘Roman well’ – it was actually built in the 18th Century – inside Belgrade fortress, which they considered a major source of evil. To combat its noxious influence on Serbia, they are said to have contemplated kidnapping prominent Western politicians, such as George H W Bush, and throwing them inside the well to counter its evil spirits. The ‘Tesla weapon’ was a Group 69 project and its existence was ‘leaked’ to the press during the 1999 NATO bombing.

Much of the insanity of 1990s magic mania stopped after Milosevic was deposed. Psychics were banned from Serbian TV in 2009 and every few months there is news about a faith healer being arrested, often for putting someone at risk through dangerous advice or untoward sexual activity. Even my two neighbours whose magical exploits expanded my awareness of the occult, now focus more on making a living in present day Serbia than finding magical cures to their problems.

Still the traces of the ‘magical 1990s’ linger in Serbia. In 2014, the former Serbian President Tomislav Nikolic quoted a line from the Kremna Prophecies that foretold “people from the East, yellow people” will rule the world and drink from Serbian rivers when he met the Chinese Premier Li Keqiang. Publications that spread conspiracy theories are still around and in many bookshops you can still find quack-science books explaining the mythical origins of Serbs or masonic conspiracy theories next to respected, authentic ones. Enough people distrust conventional medicine and vaccination that this year Serbia topped the list of measles-related deaths in Europe.

The past and present popularity of magic in Serbia and the rest of the former Yugoslavia is to a large extent due to the fact that many of us experienced our lives being controlled by hidden forces beyond our comprehension: the collapse of the socialist economy, new geopolitical realities, and even new interpretations of history. Many saw the certainties of Tito’s Yugoslavia, such as state-provided cushy jobs for life and the belief in a common Yugoslav future, collapse spectacularly in front of their eyes to be replaced with completely new ways of looking at the world.

In that maelstrom, which has only recently ebbed, believing that there are powerful truths and forces beyond your comprehension, may not seem that far-fetched after all…


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I remember very vaguely of these people though I lived through the 90s Serbia myself, it’s not like they were mainstream focus of attention in the 90s though they were well known. Many people believed in ther bullcrap but many people in neighbouring countries and even in the West believed in bunch of weird stuff from UFOs to doomsday 1999 to various conspiracies about reptilians rulling the world. In both cases vast majority saw it all for what it was but you can’t cure stupidity and superstition in part of population. Look at how many flat earthers there are today around the globe. Serbia was hardly unique. Also Milošević is currently both credited and blamed for so many stuff it is getting insane, especially about general downfall of culture and music and whatnot. I think you focus and mention him way too much.

What actually caused these bunch of freaks to turn up on TVs and newspapers is not some master plan from above but actually the fact that Socialist Yugoslavia had hard censorship and full state control over media and newspapers which 90s Yugoslavia/Serbia simply didn’t. Where once just several TV channels existed suddenly you had hundreds, every single town in Serbia had one, for example small town of Aranđelovac had 2 TV stations and now has none. Kragujevac, my hometown had 6 TV stations and now has only 1. Entire media market was unregulated, we watched pirated TV shows, and movies from the West. You knew which TV and radio stations were pro opposition and which were pro government so the story about bleak media darkness is simply untrue. Both Milošević and opposition were commonly spoofed in comedy sketches for example by Indeksovci while you could listen to debates between oppositionary politicians on Politika or in KG Globus etc. However since these many commercial TVs had to turn in the profit unlike state TV,they had to have viewership in order to better sell rights for commercial and incidentaly bringing in these fruitcakes like Kasandra and Vidovita Zorka got them some viewrship especially to the smaller local based TV stations that mostly got wiped out when cable Tv conquered the country during 2000s. Similarly music changed because local TV stations desperate for profit turned to what was the most profitable at the time. Turbofolk incidentaly appeared at the same time in Bulgaria as Čalga, in Romania as Manele and in Greece as Dimotika and I dont think Milošević ever had power over there. These processes can hardly be controled, because there is a state culture which can be controled and imposed but turbofolk was a subculture and counterculture which is generally very hard to control. I don’t recall hearing a single urban folk tune from state TV in the entire period after 1992 . For Newspapers it is actually the easiest to explain because their earnings would directly dependend on sales and thus sensationalism was born. By far the worst trash could be read in private owned tabloids and newspapers like Večernje Novosti and Blic, that also had their shameful role in propagandistic reporting. This is also why Treće Oko appeared.

As far as state reporting goes, the heaviest propaganda happened in 1991, after that and all the way to 1999 they really fully went into this sort of ilusionary world where they pretended like war wasn’t happening,there was no inflation and everything was fine. This is the main reason why so many people were shocked when the bombing of 1999 started. Not really honest reporting and is quite stupid but at least it wasn’t spewing hatred like HRT or RTRS did.


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Interesting how the Television plays into all this.
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Yugoslavia didn't need any help destroying itself and is a blueprint for how not to create a nation rather than a blueprint for how to destroy a nation. It was doomed from 1 December 1918, the day it was proclaimed as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes. Its doom was right in its name. To expect the Catholic Croats and the Orthhodox Serbs to live in peace in a country where one or the other of them was top dog was to expect a miracle. The Serbs were top dog, but it would have been no different if the Croats had been.

The only way for there to be peace in the Balkans is for each nationality to be independent or for all of them to be ruled by a single power. Trying to create a 'nation' out of different nationalities is one of the stupider things that the Treaty of Trianon did.
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(07-26-2020, 09:48 PM)jovan66102 Wrote: Yugoslavia didn't need any help destroying itself and is a blueprint for how not to create a nation rather than a blueprint for how to destroy a nation. It was doomed from 1 December 1918, the day it was proclaimed as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes. Its doom was right in its name. To expect the Catholic Croats and the Orthhodox Serbs to live in peace in a country where one or the other of them was top dog was to expect a miracle. The Serbs were top dog, but it would have been no different if the Croats had been.

The only way for there to be peace in the Balkans is for each nationality to be independent or for all of them to be ruled by a single power. Trying to create a 'nation' out of different nationalities is one of the stupider things that the Treaty of Trianon did.


I gave up on the video when she said the communists wanted to keep power by dividing the religions from each other.  How exactly does throwing gasoline on a fire like that one help preserve autocratic cohesion?
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(07-27-2020, 10:28 AM)Melkite Wrote: I gave up on the video when she said the communists wanted to keep power by dividing the religions from each other.  How exactly does throwing gasoline on a fire like that one help preserve autocratic cohesion?

Same way it helps the Marxists by dividing whites and blacks in the US. You start taking rights away from one group in the name of protecting minorities, and then when the actual fighting starts, you justify it even more when you crack down on the majority and take away free speech and assembly and all the other rights, and relying on the government.

It's exactly what's going on now with groups like Antifa and BLM. Or do you really think they're actually everyday people who are deeply concerned with racism and only want to keep black people from getting killed?
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(07-27-2020, 10:28 AM)Melkite Wrote: I gave up on the video when she said the communists wanted to keep power by dividing the religions from each other.  How exactly does throwing gasoline on a fire like that one help preserve autocratic cohesion?

The divide and conquer tactic can be paradoxical.  Having multiple factions under one roof almost necessitates a strong man to keep order, so I look at it as autocrats stoking the coals in order to engrain their own legitimacy in the minds of the people, relying on mutual mistrust and fear to keep them in power.


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Yugoslavia didn't need any help destroying itself and is a blueprint for how not to create a nation rather than a blueprint for how to destroy a nation. It was doomed from 1 December 1918, the day it was proclaimed as the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats, and Slovenes. Its doom was right in its name. To expect the Catholic Croats and the Orthhodox Serbs to live in peace in a country where one or the other of them was top dog was to expect a miracle. The Serbs were top dog, but it would have been no different if the Croats had been.

Fair enough.  I think all multicultural nations, whether culture is defined by religion or ethnic group, are doomed to fail.  Only when the climate is cheery and the economy is prosperous do they have the veneer of functionality.  I suppose what I should have said is that Yugoslavia provides another prime example of how vulnerable heterogeneous nations are to implosion.
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I agree with Paul and Morning Dove. Heterogeneous societies are unstable - even Belgium could fracture due to the differences between the two peoples there. Ireland's religious divide ultimately resulted in the creation of Northern Ireland. India partitioned, with Pakistan and East Pakistan demanding their own states. The Soviet Union is another example, Sudan another.

Nation states are a natural result of demarcation designed to prevent culture clashes and ethnic disputes. Multicultural and/or racially plural states are pretty recent, and as the BLM protests indicate, doesn't really work. There are a couple of exceptions, such as Singapore, but then I'm not sure what the demographic situation is like there.
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