Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”?
(09-29-2020, 11:20 AM)newenglandsun Wrote: Those Pope's didn't change the liturgy. They issued variations in already existing liturgies.

At my parish, our format for Orthros differs slightly from other Melkite parishes because use a variant that was implemented by a Reader who served there before he fell asleep in the Lord. Does this mean our Orthros has become a new Orthros? Certainly not! There is always room for adjustment and variation based on the needs of the given congregation. The question is whether a different liturgy is being said.

Ive been to four different Anglican parishes and they all used variants but ultimately it was the same Mass that was centered on the 1928 BCP. The rubrics permit certain alterations.

The word "change" is not univocal.  There are several possible meanings for it and some are compatible with Catholic teaching on doctrine, liturgy, etc.  What needs to be addressed is whether a change is accidental or substantial.  An accidental change is a change in appearance only, not the substance (which would be substantial change).  Accidental changes are allowed to the Mass.  An example would be the changes made between Pius V and John XXIII.  You might call those "variations" but they constitute accidental changes.  Others might be possible, for example, to allow the Scripture readings in the vernacular.  That would be a change (from Latin to a native tongue) yet no substantial change has occurred.
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RE: Archbishop Viganò: Is Vatican II “Untouchable”? - by SeekerofChrist - 09-29-2020, 11:41 AM

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