Pro-Papal States Saints and Martyrs
(11-04-2020, 09:32 AM)Ioannes_L Wrote: I strongly recommend you to find a decent history book on the subject before making assumptions and creating flawed theories, like how they would use taxes to fund missionaries, ignoring basic infrastructure any state has do deal with.
You need to find a decent history book. The Holy See's main source of revenue was the Papal States.

(11-04-2020, 09:32 AM)Ioannes_L Wrote: Frankly, I don't understand this obsession you have about the Papal States.
Nice attempt at gaslighting but me posting about the Papal States in a thread about the Papal States isn't an "obsession".

(11-04-2020, 11:28 AM)Melkite Wrote:
(11-04-2020, 03:43 AM)Naproxen Wrote:
(11-03-2020, 10:31 PM)Melkite Wrote: Christ did not institute the papacy to be a temporal leader or a political monarch.

So you are condemning the Papacy from 754 to 1870? I take it that you wouldn't have taken up arms in defense of the Papal States? Would you have fought against the Papal States?

(11-03-2020, 10:31 PM)Melkite Wrote: I'm actually referring to canons that far outdate the Papal States.  Canon 7 of the Ecumenical Council of Chalcedon: "We have decreed that those who have once been enrolled among the clergy, or have been made monks, shall accept neither a military charge nor any secular dignity; and if they shall presume to do so and not repent in such wise as to turn again to that which they had first chosen for the love of God, they shall be anathematized." and Canons 81 and 83 of the Apostolic Canons: "We have said that a bishop or presbyter must not give himself to the management of public affairs, but devote himself to ecclesiastical business. Let him then be persuaded to do so, or let him be deposed, for no man can serve two masters, according to the Lord's declaration." and "If a bishop, presbyter, or deacon, shall serve in the army, and wish to retain both the Roman magistracy and the priestly office, let him be deposed; for the things of Cæsar belong to Cæsar, and those of God to God."  Canon 16 of the Council of Carthage in context, although taken by itself, it is somewhat ambiguous: "That no bishop, presbyter or deacon should be a conductor; and that Readers should take wives; and that the clergy should abstain from usury; and at what age they or virgins should be consecrated.

Likewise it seemed good that bishops, presbyters, and deacons should not be conductors or procurators; nor seek their food by any base and vile business, for they should remember how it is written, No man fighting for God cumbers himself with worldly affairs."

Interesting. That sounds ex cathedra

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