Is it ever OK to attend a Novus Ordo Mass?
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(11-28-2020, 03:39 PM)NSMSSS Wrote: I look at that statement in this way: Sure, "freedom of religion", which is to say one cannot be forced to follow Catholicism nor any other religion (true and consistent with Church teaching).  "Civil authorities are bound to recognize that right."  Sure, which is to say you cannot impose a state religion, whatever it may be, and force people to follow it.  People have the right to follow the religion of their choosing (which, again, means you cannot force someone to convert, which is what the Church teaches).

Nobody has the right to believe something that is false. False beliefs, and even public expression of false beliefs, can be tolerated to achieve some good such as peace in society, but toleration is not a right. The state absolutely can impose a state religion - which should be Catholicism - even if it doesn't make it a crime not to go to Mass. And the state can forbid public non-Catholic or non-Christian worship, and Catholic states in the past often did. There's no right to build a mosque in Rome.

Here's what the Council actually said:

Quote:2. This Vatican Council declares that the human person has a right to religious freedom. This freedom means that all men are to be immune from coercion on the part of individuals or of social groups and of any human power, in such wise that no one is to be forced to act in a manner contrary to his own beliefs, whether privately or publicly, whether alone or in association with others, within due limits.

The council further declares that the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the very dignity of the human person as this dignity is known through the revealed word of God and by reason itself.(2) This right of the human person to religious freedom is to be recognized in the constitutional law whereby society is governed and thus it is to become a civil right.

Your interpretation of 'no forced conversion' might be the right one. But it seems to say more than that, and given the past teachings of the Church towards other religions, the SSPX should be given an explanation before being asked to accept Vatican II being fully orthodox. The Syllabus of Errors condemns this: "Every man is free to embrace and profess that religion which, guided by the light of reason, he shall consider true." Vatican II seems to say exactly that.

Perhaps the out is 'within due limits', which would mean 'whatever limits previous Popes and Councils have taught'. And Paul VI said the Council had no new teaching but was pastoral, not doctrinal.
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RE: Is it ever OK to attend a Novus Ordo Mass? - by Paul - 11-28-2020, 09:14 PM



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