Fetal Cell Lines in Vaccine Testing
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This is a fairly specific question.  What are your thought on vaccines that were tested with fetal cell lines from tissues taken from an aborted child decades ago? 

To clarify, these vaccines are the Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna.  Neither used fetal cells in the development or production of their vaccines, just in their testing. 

The cell lines are cloned cells from children who were aborted decades ago and then cultured.  The cultured cells can be replicated indefinitely. 

My personal take on this is that it's kind of creepy to use cloned fetal cells to test a vaccine, but that's just a gut reaction.  On a strictly moral level, I see the damage as done and the continued use of these replicated cells may be beneficial in preventing further deaths.  However, is it right to condone the use of something derived from an evil done long ago to prevent the deaths of uncertain numbers in the present?  Also, what kind of message is it to accept a vaccine that was tested with fetal cell lines?

I'm still mulling this over.  I'd take a vaccine that had no connection to abortion, but I question these vaccines that do.  I blame it on an article where Bishop Schneider stressed this particular point.
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(12-13-2020, 05:20 PM)jack89 Wrote: This is a fairly specific question.  What are your thought on vaccines that were tested with fetal cell lines from tissues taken from an aborted child decades ago? 

To clarify, these vaccines are the Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna.  Neither used fetal cells in the development or production of their vaccines, just in their testing. 

The cell lines are cloned cells from children who were aborted decades ago and then cultured.  The cultured cells can be replicated indefinitely. 

My personal take on this is that it's kind of creepy to use cloned fetal cells to test a vaccine, but that's just a gut reaction.  On a strictly moral level, I see the damage as done and the continued use of these replicated cells may be beneficial in preventing further deaths.  However, is it right to condone the use of something derived from an evil done long ago to prevent the deaths of uncertain numbers in the present?  Also, what kind of message is it to accept a vaccine that was tested with fetal cell lines?

I'm still mulling this over.  I'd take a vaccine that had no connection to abortion, but I question these vaccines that do.  I blame it on an article where Bishop Schneider stressed this particular point.
I recommend Sensus Fidelium's interview with Fr. Ripperger on this very subject.  The full interview is on BitChute.

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Let me put another angle on this issue to consider:

[Caution I am going to be frank and it should be realized as it is]

The 'fetal cell lines' have an alpha numeric associated with them. The numeric indicates how many fetuses babies had to be killed to obtain the cell lines. The body must be ALIVE when the sample is taken, as in: The baby is delivered, C-section style, removed from the amniotic sac, while alive and dissected, cut apart, for the parts. It can take hundreds of such atrocities to achieve one 'good' specimen. That means THOUSANDS of children have been sacrificed at the altar of Moloch to get these 'cell lines'.

In the days of the Polio outbreak, the experimenters were killing simian (monkey) fetuses and it took 40 attempts to get Simian Virus 40, which caused a load of problems for those who got the Salk vaccine, with diabetes, cancer and other of the current major maladies of the current older adult population.

This calling of these cell lines, simply fetal cell lines is so disingenuous, in my view. Do we really have to have a COVID vaccine over the dead bodies of a huge number of babies?

Not for me...sorry, how many degrees of separation from murder makes you feel clean?

For me, none.
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(12-13-2020, 05:28 PM)ActusFidei313 Wrote: I recommend Sensus Fidelium's interview with Fr. Ripperger on this very subject.  The full interview is on BitChute.

Pax

I just finished watching the video on BitChute, it wasn't on YouTube.  Kind of long, but very helpful.  Thanks. 

A couple of other things that came to mind while watching this were:

- It's surprising that Bishop Schneider, Fr. Ripperger, and I think even my priest, don't agree with the official word from the Vatican.  

- While I understand and generally agree with Fr. Ripperger, I think it's important to not be swayed by his personality.  He's a great speaker and speaks with conviction.  Sometimes we get drawn into charismatic characters and soak in everything they're saying.  In this particular case, I think most of what he's saying makes sense.  Just trying to keep it real.
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(12-13-2020, 07:43 PM)Zedta Wrote: Not for me...sorry, how many degrees of separation from murder makes you feel clean?

For me, none.

I hear you.  I'm thinking along the same lines, but I have to wonder about other things in our lives where we make that compromise and don't even realize it.  Are we fooling ourselves into thinking this is anything different?

On the other hand, I'm one of those INTJs that tends to overthink things, at least from other people's perspectives.  :)
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Yes, I think I read on this thread or another about vaccines that the MMR was developed with the use of cell from aborted babies.  I am sure just about everyone who received that vaccination didn't know that fact.  There's just a pervasive idea in the public at large that people in lab coats in shiny white rooms make all of this with "science."

As you said, it does beg the question, do we need to look into everything we consume?  I would posit the answer is "yes" in order to understand if things we should do or things from which we should abstain, but only to the extent we can control them.  An example might be that the state taxes I am required to pay fund abortion and assisted suicide, but what is the extent I can control that?  I could move to another state, but maybe that's not possible or desirable for a number of reasons.  Instead, I could pay my taxes and put efforts into pro-life causes since I can't just mail in my check to the state treasury with the note "$50 withheld due to sincerely held belief to not promote murder."

For the Chinese virus vaccine specifically, I would have to object to taking it firstly on the aforementioned moral grounds and secondly due to efficacy v side effects.
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(12-13-2020, 10:27 PM)Pandora Wrote: An example might be that the state taxes I am required to pay fund abortion and assisted suicide, but what is the extent I can control that?  I could move to another state, but maybe that's not possible or desirable for a number of reasons.  Instead, I could pay my taxes and put efforts into pro-life causes since I can't just mail in my check to the state treasury with the note "$50 withheld due to sincerely held belief to not promote murder."

A good way to compensate if there are no other options.

And thanks for the reminder.  I need to make a donation before the end of the year.  Arizona lets you direct your tax liability to private schools.  I usually donate to the Catholic school my son works at. 

Maybe there's something like that in your state.
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(12-13-2020, 05:20 PM)jack89 Wrote: This is a fairly specific question.  What are your thought on vaccines that were tested with fetal cell lines from tissues taken from an aborted child decades ago? 

To clarify, these vaccines are the Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna.  Neither used fetal cells in the development or production of their vaccines, just in their testing. 

The cell lines are cloned cells from children who were aborted decades ago and then cultured.  The cultured cells can be replicated indefinitely. 

My personal take on this is that it's kind of creepy to use cloned fetal cells to test a vaccine, but that's just a gut reaction.  On a strictly moral level, I see the damage as done and the continued use of these replicated cells may be beneficial in preventing further deaths.  However, is it right to condone the use of something derived from an evil done long ago to prevent the deaths of uncertain numbers in the present?  Also, what kind of message is it to accept a vaccine that was tested with fetal cell lines?

I'm still mulling this over.  I'd take a vaccine that had no connection to abortion, but I question these vaccines that do.  I blame it on an article where Bishop Schneider stressed this particular point.

It is past time to start working on problems caused by panic over the pandemic.  We need the vaccine so we can put this ridiculous pandemic behind us, and finally start to address the problems caused by all those ridiculous shutdowns.  If these vaccines were made using new fetal cell lines, that would be unethical, and we shouldn't take them, but this one does not come from new lines.  Sadly, medical knowledge is often obtained through unethical means.  We should work to make the means ethical from here forward, not simply repudiate the knowledge.
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(12-14-2020, 06:07 AM)Credidi Propter Wrote:
(12-13-2020, 05:20 PM)jack89 Wrote: This is a fairly specific question.  What are your thought on vaccines that were tested with fetal cell lines from tissues taken from an aborted child decades ago? 

To clarify, these vaccines are the Covid-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna.  Neither used fetal cells in the development or production of their vaccines, just in their testing. 

The cell lines are cloned cells from children who were aborted decades ago and then cultured.  The cultured cells can be replicated indefinitely. 

My personal take on this is that it's kind of creepy to use cloned fetal cells to test a vaccine, but that's just a gut reaction.  On a strictly moral level, I see the damage as done and the continued use of these replicated cells may be beneficial in preventing further deaths.  However, is it right to condone the use of something derived from an evil done long ago to prevent the deaths of uncertain numbers in the present?  Also, what kind of message is it to accept a vaccine that was tested with fetal cell lines?

I'm still mulling this over.  I'd take a vaccine that had no connection to abortion, but I question these vaccines that do.  I blame it on an article where Bishop Schneider stressed this particular point.

It is past time to start working on problems caused by panic over the pandemic.  We need the vaccine so we can put this ridiculous pandemic behind us, and finally start to address the problems caused by all those ridiculous shutdowns.  If these vaccines were made using new fetal cell lines, that would be unethical, and we shouldn't take them, but this one does not come from new lines.  Sadly, medical knowledge is often obtained through unethical means.  We should work to make the means ethical from here forward, not simply repudiate the knowledge.

I'm not an anti-vaxxer.


From the UK gov't's instructions to healthcare workers:

Quote:Pregnancy
There are no or limited amount of data from the use of COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2. Animal reproductive toxicity studies have not been completed. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is not recommended during pregnancy.

For women of childbearing age, pregnancy should be excluded before vaccination. In addition, women of childbearing age should be advised to avoid pregnancy for at least 2 months after their second dose.
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Breast-feeding
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 is excreted in human milk. A risk to the newborns/infants cannot be excluded. COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 should not be used during breast-feeding.
Fertility
It is unknown whether COVID-19 mRNA Vaccine BNT162b2 has an impact on fertility.


Effect on fertility completely unknown. For that reason my wife and I will 100% not receive the vaccine. And because so much is unknown, my kids will certainly not receive it, either (though the current recommendations put them outside the age range for the vaccine, anyway).

Then there's this: https://twitter.com/o_rips/status/1336873007151603714

This vaccine has not been tested sufficiently. It's been rushed. I'm not committing to taking round after round of vaccine every 6 months to prevent a disease that won't kill me, and that my wife's 101 year old grandmother just survived after experiencing nothing more than the sniffles.
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A good analysis from a local priest who specialises in ethics as pertains to life issues: https://www.hprweb.com/2020/12/should-ca...-vaccine/?  long story short is that it is licit to get the vaccine, but the AstraZeneca one should be avoided in favour of the Pfizer or Moderna ones.
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